[V8SC10R07&08] ITM400, Hamilton New Zealand - Page 8

STEALTHY · 20 Apr 2010, 10:25 (Ref:2676439)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

In the meantime, while they're extracting their finger, the spectators will spend 10 years or so falling asleep in front of the tele.

So who exactly are you blaming? Cause it sounded like you were blaming the people who make the rules, not the teams who can't keep up with the gun team.

peckstar · 20 Apr 2010, 12:27 (Ref:2676523)

it seems so long since Clipsal, two awesome races

bluesport · 20 Apr 2010, 22:25 (Ref:2676977)

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Originally Posted by STEALTHY

So who exactly are you blaming? Cause it sounded like you were blaming the people who make the rules, not the teams who can't keep up with the gun team.

What I am getting at is that from some of the comments on this forum, for some people the series is no longer providing what they expect or demand from Australia's premier motorsport category, whether those people are a significant number or not remains to be seen. The category itself is pathetic enough to only have 2 manufacturers competing, but to to then have 2/3rds of the field dominated by 1 manufacturer is unacceptable. VESA should have forseen this possibility and should have planned accordingly, failing to plan is planning to fail. The question is now, what are they doing about it in 2010? Sweet f... all by the look of it. What is the trigger for a parity adjustment? When will it happen?.......I bet not at all!!!

Lucky we have the B12hr.

Backagain · 20 Apr 2010, 22:29 (Ref:2676982)

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Originally Posted by Bevan-L

Pfffft picket line wont do anything... if you want to be heard, you need to do it the right way!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq0dLx5Qwbs

Now you're talking, why didn't I think of that, you organize it and I'll meet you there.

Axeman444 · 21 Apr 2010, 00:25 (Ref:2677013)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

to to then have 2/3rds of the field dominated by 1 manufacturer is unacceptable. VESA should have forseen this possibility and should have planned accordingly, failing to plan is planning to fail. The question is now, what are they doing about it in 2010? Sweet f... all by the look of it. What is the trigger for a parity adjustment? When will it happen?.......I bet not at all!!!

i really don't see the problem with the number of Holden's and Ford's, take out 888 and the series is wide open. Being a Ford person, was happy with the last year of domination, but not this year, swings and roundabouts, i wouldn't be following if it was the same manufacturer dominating every year, even if it was Ford.

Parity? we only need an adjustment for 1 team, 888. that doesn't require a parity adjustment. if Holdens (or their headlights) were dominating more than 1st position, by all means

Micklegend · 21 Apr 2010, 02:15 (Ref:2677049)

Here is an idea......bring back reverse grids.....although holden will still have pole!

peckstar · 21 Apr 2010, 02:43 (Ref:2677057)

once up on a time ( and not that long ago) if i went to a round i got about an hour or so of the main game racing) that evolved to multiple but shorter races and the longer races and then a short and along race then other variances to know where we are at the point that Saturday racing is equivalent to a Sunday race (Winton cost the same for either Saturday or Sunday) and if your going to watch you really need to sit down for about 2 hours each day and watch.

Im finding that more and more difficult to committ the time, plus the internet can give me information that hasnt happened on tv yet and if i know the result im less likely to watch if

Bevan-L · 21 Apr 2010, 05:32 (Ref:2677093)

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Originally Posted by Backagain

Now you're talking, why didn't I think of that, you organize it and I'll meet you there.

its nice to see someone has a sense of humor around here

No worries... i'll get the hookup going in Oakleigh for this friday.. will pm the details

Oldtony · 21 Apr 2010, 07:51 (Ref:2677133)

If Carpoint are right the attendance at Hamilton was way down.
More importantly for VESA the ratings on Saturday were down and the ratings on Sunday were a disaster. Certainly the AFL interupyion cuts Adelaide and Perth out of the figures, but the trend must be starting to worry VESA and channel 7.
I think the loss of interest is more about the fact that people are getting bored with the same old limited field of cars than the fact that one bloke is winning all the time.
A charisima implant for the series leader might not hurt though.

bluesport · 21 Apr 2010, 08:17 (Ref:2677147)

With the variety of motorsport on One HD there are plenty of options now available for enthusiastic followers to get their "fix". They no longer have to rely on the crap that VESA is dishing up, add to that the likelyhood of GT cars at Bathurst next February......who needs supercars?

garbo6 · 21 Apr 2010, 10:57 (Ref:2677231)

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Originally Posted by Oldtony

If Carpoint are right the attendance at Hamilton was way down.
More importantly for VESA the ratings on Saturday were down and the ratings on Sunday were a disaster. Certainly the AFL interupyion cuts Adelaide and Perth out of the figures, but the trend must be starting to worry VESA and channel 7.
I think the loss of interest is more about the fact that people are getting bored with the same old limited field of cars than the fact that one bloke is winning all the time.
A charisima implant for the series leader might not hurt though.

Sunday split coverage was for Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide.
Perth (11-2 I think) and Melbourne (12-3) had the coverage straight through.

Carpoint suggested the 232,000 was for Syd, Bris, Melb
http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2010...w-tv-woe-19071

However TV Tonight had that as the figure for Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide. So would have been a bit better with Melbourne added to it, still not great.

Ratings have been poor all year which isn't good. I'd love to see % of people watching TV at the times, and to see how if there is any effect of the 2nd channel.

STEALTHY · 21 Apr 2010, 12:33 (Ref:2677283)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

What I am getting at is that from some of the comments on this forum, for some people the series is no longer providing what they expect or demand from Australia's premier motorsport category, whether those people are a significant number or not remains to be seen. The category itself is pathetic enough to only have 2 manufacturers competing, but to to then have 2/3rds of the field dominated by 1 manufacturer is unacceptable. VESA should have forseen this possibility and should have planned accordingly, failing to plan is planning to fail. The question is now, what are they doing about it in 2010? Sweet f... all by the look of it. What is the trigger for a parity adjustment? When will it happen?.......I bet not at all!!!

Lucky we have the B12hr.

This was a decent debate until you mentioned manufacturers.
Now its just stupid.

anthony81901 · 21 Apr 2010, 12:56 (Ref:2677293)

232k was combined viewing audience for Sydney, Brisbane & Adelaide. By comparison the NRL had 457k viewers in Sydney & Brisbane and the AFL 336k in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane & Adelaide and 190k in Perth. Translated another way of the 4.5 million who live in Sydney, 81,000 watched the V8s about 1.8% of the population.

http://www.mediaspy.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19739

mildura1963 · 21 Apr 2010, 20:40 (Ref:2677528)

Hamilton 400 organisers & V8 management are looking at waysto increase attendance. 101K this year. How does that figure compare to other street races??? organisers seriously have to look at the support card, 3 categories + V8's is very thin.

peckstar · 21 Apr 2010, 23:13 (Ref:2677601)

Clipsal has about 270k but is 4 days and has 7 support classes

Homebust ended up with (from memory) about 175k for 3 days, but it was the first year, lets see how it goes in its 2nd year

canberra had similar numbers to hamilton and it folded

mildura1963 · 22 Apr 2010, 00:05 (Ref:2677624)

101 k is less than previous years but for NZ in a recession still seems pretty good for 3 day event with only 3 support categories. I believe that they got 25 k over two days at the opening Bruce McLaren festival at Hampton Downs. Does anyone know the crowd figures that Pukekohe or the Auckland & Wellington Street races used to get?

bluesport · 22 Apr 2010, 03:13 (Ref:2677653)

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Originally Posted by STEALTHY

This was a decent debate until you mentioned manufacturers.
Now its just stupid.

It could be worse.....I could have mentioned "headlights".

F J Nedos · 22 Apr 2010, 05:58 (Ref:2677679)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

It could be worse.....I could have mentioned "headlights".

I feel so sorry for the tail lights... They do their best too!!!

bluesport · 22 Apr 2010, 22:57 (Ref:2678140)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

What I am getting at is that from some of the comments on this forum, for some people the series is no longer providing what they expect or demand from Australia's premier motorsport category, whether those people are a significant number or not remains to be seen. The category itself is pathetic enough to only have 2 manufacturers competing, but to to then have 2/3rds of the field dominated by 1 manufacturer is unacceptable. VESA should have forseen this possibility and should have planned accordingly, failing to plan is planning to fail. The question is now, what are they doing about it in 2010? Sweet f... all by the look of it. What is the trigger for a parity adjustment? When will it happen?.......I bet not at all!!!

Lucky we have the B12hr.

OK, delete "manufacturer" and insert "brand of car".

STEALTHY · 22 Apr 2010, 23:08 (Ref:2678143)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

OK, delete "manufacturer" and insert "brand of car".

We were discussing one person dominating. He has done so in both brands, if we use your theory.

That isn't the reason people are turning off. Like i made mention in another thread, it only seems Ford supporters are having these feelings towards him, and only now that they use holden badges on the front of their cars. Seems less about 'waaa the best team is cleaning up' and more about 'i'm butthurt the best team dont have ford badges like the car in my driveway'

bluesport · 23 Apr 2010, 00:58 (Ref:2678174)

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Originally Posted by STEALTHY

We were discussing one person dominating. He has done so in both brands, if we use your theory.

That isn't the reason people are turning off. Like i made mention in another thread, it only seems Ford supporters are having these feelings towards him, and only now that they use holden badges on the front of their cars. Seems less about 'waaa the best team is cleaning up' and more about 'i'm butthurt the best team dont have ford badges like the car in my driveway'

No, I've argued for race by race parity adjustments in previous years.

mildura1963 · 23 Apr 2010, 01:36 (Ref:2678181)

I found it amazing the difference in the sound that the various teams cars made. DJR Fords were very raspy & loud, the Kelly Holdens sounded like an open wheeler. I am guessing this comes down to different exhaust systems?

bluesport · 23 Apr 2010, 02:05 (Ref:2678195)

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Originally Posted by mildura1963

I found it amazing the difference in the sound that the various teams cars made. DJR Fords were very raspy & loud, the Kelly Holdens sounded like an open wheeler. I am guessing this comes down to different exhaust systems?

Perkins' cars always sounded different too. Generally Fords sound better than their GM counterparts I think.

As for road cars Rover V8's seem hard to beat for some reason. A 3.5 litre Rover V8 sounds more like it is a 7 litre.

D.R.T. · 23 Apr 2010, 02:23 (Ref:2678199)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

No, I've argued for race by race parity adjustments in previous years.

Why should they penalise someone for good performance?

The cars are identical (one of the problems with the category) so the only advantage is coming from the team. Why penalise them for being good at what they do?

Is this socialist racing? Sorry socialist entertainment

bluesport · 23 Apr 2010, 04:28 (Ref:2678215)

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Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Why should they penalise someone for good performance?

The cars are identical (one of the problems with the category) so the only advantage is coming from the team. Why penalise them for being good at what they do?

Is this socialist racing? Sorry socialist entertainment

It's not penalising anyone, it's an evening out between the highly resourced teams and those with less resources........how many teams did we see fold in the off-season? Some of them with their meagre resources may have actually been working harder than some of the more high profile teams.

And as for socialist racing?........the best, the best, blah, blah, blah......ideological crap......entertain or risk dying altogether.

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