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Old 12 May 2019, 22:34 (Ref:3903391)   #61
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Mercedes seems to simply have a policy that whoever gets out of the first corners in first place gets the win.
Don't agree. Toto let's them race, unlike Ferrari who impose team orders with promiscuous abandon. It's management, rather than drivers', skills which set the two teams apart. Maranello's 'musical chairs' policy here has not served them well – nor will it until they find their own 'Toto'!
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Old 13 May 2019, 02:54 (Ref:3903406)   #62
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Very good, would have been quicker to type confused.
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Old 13 May 2019, 04:54 (Ref:3903409)   #63
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Old 13 May 2019, 09:30 (Ref:3903448)   #64
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Spot on. They need better leadership all round. One senses that Vettel is aware of this, as well as being utterly discombobulated by his rookie team-mate's speed. There will be many questions to be addressed and answered in Maranello tonight...
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Don't agree. Toto let's them race, unlike Ferrari who impose team orders with promiscuous abandon. It's management, rather than drivers', skills which set the two teams apart. Maranello's 'musical chairs' policy here has not served them well – nor will it until they find their own 'Toto'!
I have to unfortunately say that while this is a very erudite and well worded analysis of the race, I think it's also quite far off the mark. First off, Leclerc is not a rookie . Vettel has had the better of Leclerc for every weekend except Bahrain. Ferrari's problem is not Leclerc's speed, it's the gap to Mercedes. Vettel knows this, which is why he made that three wide lunge into T1:
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“It was clear that I could not win the race in the first corner but I saw that there was something to try. I tried and it didn’t work, but I was hoping that I could mix things up a little bit for my sake and your sake.”
I think he's also slightly wrong here, at this track you can actually win the race in the first corner as Hamilton demonstrated. And once you're in front, there is no getting past in equal cars. Bottas knows this too:
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“In the beginning of the stint I was pretty close to Lewis all the time, and just waiting if there was going to be any opportunity,” Bottas explained. “On this type of track if you’re within four seconds then you start to slide around quite a bit. Once you’re in free air, it’s so much better.
“That’s why the gap became bigger, as that was also when I had to go through some of the slower cars. At the same time the tyres started to drop off and with less tread on the tyres I lost a bit of temperature, so my tyres were finished much earlier than Lewis.”
Your assertion that Toto 'let's them race' extends to the first set of corners only. It's frankly a bit laughable to suggest Mercedes lets their drivers race when they are the most egregious and ruthless users of team orders as demonstrated last year. The complaint about Ferrari is not the using of team orders, that just makes good sense. It's rather the seemingly delayed decision-making. But even that is overblown, in the end it makes very little difference, and the only reason it came up in this race is the very fact that Vettel had a flatspot and hence lost pace in the first stint. (The fact that these tyres are not meant to actually race with is a whole other complaint in itself).

Ferrari seems desperate because they are. The gap to Mercedes is huge and it has been since the end of summer last year. They cannot win on pace, they have to try other things. The reason Red Bull seems to be doing so well is just because they do their thing and pick up 4th places and the odd podium when they can. They're not in the championship fight and they know it. But Ferrari feels they should be in the fight and if you can't win on pace you are simply forced to try something else. But I fear at this point even that won't help anymore, both championships have been decided already.


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Old 13 May 2019, 09:32 (Ref:3903452)   #65
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Mercedes seems to simply have a policy that whoever gets out of the first corners in first place gets the win.
I don't think so. They are free to race. It just happens that with the same car, the same strategy and two decent drivers, it just amounts to the same thing.
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Old 13 May 2019, 09:46 (Ref:3903457)   #66
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Resignation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq8vX72SSzA

Almost 100 points back in the CC and the laptime gap gets bigger each weekend. The season is over, by all means. Time for everyone else to use the races for developing the 2020 car.

Unlike 2009 there is no gadget development like the blow diffuser that could really change the balance.
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Old 13 May 2019, 11:01 (Ref:3903480)   #67
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The season is over, by all means. Time for everyone else to use the races for developing the 2020 car.
Within F1, it soon becomes apparent whether teams are working on in-season or future developments. If Mercedes have a performance advantage, and all of their rivals slow development, then Mercedes can follow suit and also slow their development down and put more resources into their 2020 car.
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Old 14 May 2019, 00:37 (Ref:3903605)   #68
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Within F1, it soon becomes apparent whether teams are working on in-season or future developments. If Mercedes have a performance advantage, and all of their rivals slow development, then Mercedes can follow suit and also slow their development down and put more resources into their 2020 car.
So in other words, "the season is over", Kempi's point.
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Old 14 May 2019, 00:54 (Ref:3903608)   #69
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Probably. It reminds me of 1950-53, 55, 60-61, 63, 65-69, 71, 73, 75, 78, 84-85, 87-89, 92-93, 95-96, 98, 2000-02, 2004-05, 09, 11, 13, 14-18.

Did I miss any? (vaguely one team dominating, but may have been driver's in that team battling, or maybe not).



The 2014-19 Mercedes is a particularly impressive run by one team. I broke up the Ferrari early 2000s because 2003 was close.
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Old 14 May 2019, 15:18 (Ref:3903736)   #70
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Probably. It reminds me of 1950-53, 55, 60-61, 63, 65-69, 71, 73, 75, 78, 84-85, 87-89, 92-93, 95-96, 98, 2000-02, 2004-05, 09, 11, 13, 14-18.

Did I miss any? (vaguely one team dominating, but may have been driver's in that team battling, or maybe not).



The 2014-19 Mercedes is a particularly impressive run by one team. I broke up the Ferrari early 2000s because 2003 was close.
Agreed Adam. Actually, this is good news. It just shows how many younger people have found ten tenths. Us "olds" never had a keyboard in the 60's..only one that played music. We couldn't talk globally about F1 team domination really until the late 90's....It has been going on since it started..
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Old 14 May 2019, 18:31 (Ref:3903766)   #71
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The more Ferrari focuses on strategizing to catch Mercedes, Verstappen and Red bull keep plugging ahead of them.

Does Ferrari even realize Verstappen is ahead of them in the standings??

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Good post F1Pete.. No.. They have no time to realise that! I think they are trying to calm Seb down all the time as he has a young whippersnapper that keeps nipping his arse!
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lol, I don't think it's Sebs fault Ferrari are making an arse of this. They've been making an arse of it since the Schumacher team left. You can't really pin lack fo speed or poor tactical decisions on "calming seb down".
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Probably. It reminds me of 1950-53, 55, 60-61, 63, 65-69, 71, 73, 75, 78, 84-85, 87-89, 92-93, 95-96, 98, 2000-02, 2004-05, 09, 11, 13, 14-18.

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The 2014-19 Mercedes is a particularly impressive run by one team. I broke up the Ferrari early 2000s because 2003 was close.
Question. Let's go back 6 decades. Would the Merc of the 1950s have been as successful for as long as the current Merc team if they hadn't pulled out at the end of 55? Would they still be on top come 1959? It's interesting to think

Great drive by Max btw, putting the RBR up onto the podium ahead of the Ferraris. Certainly he is making Gasly look ordinary. I didn't expect Pierre to do to Max what Leclerc has done to Vettel, but I expected him to be closer than he has been. Shows how well Max is doing with that car
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