FIA wants older F3 championships to drop the name

[champcarman]

Wonder how this will affect the Formula 3 Australian Drivers Championship?

[racer69]

Originally Posted by champcarman

Wonder how this will affect the Formula 3 Australian Drivers Championship?

In the past the ADC/Gold Star has used the "Australian Formula One Championship" tag when using regulations like Formula 5000 and Formula Pacific/Mondial..... maybe thats a perfect counter

[kipper]

I see that the F3 Masters at Zandvoort (which will not be run to FIA regulations this year) has had to drop the 'F3' bit of its name.

[andrewc]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

That's the cheapest rebranded logo I've ever seen!

Same as when Alfa launched the 159 as the successor to the 156

[ger80]

Originally Posted by kipper

I see that the F3 Masters at Zandvoort (which will not be run to FIA regulations this year) has had to drop the 'F3' bit of its name.

Well done Mr. Berger

[LavidaLoca]

Originally Posted by ger80

Well done Mr. Berger

Actully the situation for Zandvoort Masters is due to Logistic problem for the teams who race European Championship. Nothing do to with Mr Berger if Zandvoort masters has to run "old Spec" car in 2014.

[kipper]

Originally Posted by LavidaLoca

Actully the situation for Zandvoort Masters is due to Logistic problem for the teams who race European Championship. Nothing do to with Mr Berger if Zandvoort masters has to run "old Spec" car in 2014.

The fact that the Euro F3 teams can't compete at Zandvoort is potentially outside of the control of the FIA; however, the fact that the race can't be termed as being for Formula 3 cars is.

[LavidaLoca]

Honestly for my point of view the decision from the FIA is a bad for a good.

There was "Formula 3" championships all over the place , running Dallara F3 chassis and non Formula 3 Reg Engines (Euro Open with Toyota, Italian with Fiat, Ats with Push to Pass...)

It is pitty for British F3 and ATS F3 but i believe a good clear-up was needed.

Honestly i do not see anything preventing British F3 and ATS F3 to run new FIA regulation cars in the near future (Probably for 2014 is a bit late already).

About Masters of Zandvoort, if they had been able to find an other date they would be able to use F3.

[kipper]

Originally Posted by LavidaLoca

About Masters of Zandvoort, if they had been able to find an other date they would be able to use F3.

Fair comment, but then they would have to avoid clashes with British, German and Euro Open championships, which may be tricky. It is a bit of a vicious circle.

[LavidaLoca]

Originally Posted by kipper

Fair comment, but then they would have to avoid clashes with British, German and Euro Open championships, which may be tricky. It is a bit of a vicious circle.

british and German would have not been eligible anyway, so the problem was "just" to find a suitable date for European Championship.

The only problem is that the race after Zandvoort Masters is Moscow, so no time for the teams to transfert from Zandvoort Masters to Moscow

I remember 2 years ago they moved Masters of Zandvoort due to clash with Norisring F3 Race....

[edenrace]

With 11 rounds in FIA the teams are struggling with engine lease mileage,10000kms,trust me the FIA are making life difficult for other F3 series, and yes they are F3.
The politics at the moment from them does not help motorsport at all.
At the moment there are not enough engines available for any other series and the cost with electrics etc is much higher than utilising current engines , for example Euro and Brtitish series can run for £300,000 FIA £600,000

[LavidaLoca]

IMO British F3 has always been trying to keep the Formula 3 Philosophy alive (I belive EdenRace you have been part of this success), even while running the "old" cars.

I cannot say the same from ATS which introduced Push To Pass and Euro Open F3 and Italian which have been closer to Formula Renault than proper Formula 3.

New FIA Regulation (Electronic and Engines) generates costs for the teams but if these teams would have been able to run FIA European, British F3 and German ATS this would have been attractive platform and cost efficent.

Major Problem is there should have been more serious discussions between FIA and Organisers and agree on a cummon regulation instead of behing in the actual mess...

[NaBUru38]

F3 is a brand. Instead of promoting it, FIA is "protecting" it, that is stopping using it in major countries.

[ger80]

Originally Posted by LavidaLoca

Actully the situation for Zandvoort Masters is due to Logistic problem for the teams who race European Championship. Nothing do to with Mr Berger if Zandvoort masters has to run "old Spec" car in 2014.

Don't tell me the Moscow race is one week after the Masters without Berger's approval

[edenrace]

Funny that.....just another Burgering up of F3

[LavidaLoca]

Now there are some other questions appearing.

- Are these "old Spec" cars still considered as Formula 3 Cars? If not then teams entering FIA European Championship could use them and test as much as they want.

- What about Eligibility for Macau GP? Are only drivers racing in the FIA Championship eligible?

[Vepe]

Originally Posted by LavidaLoca

Now there are some other questions appearing.

- Are these "old Spec" cars still considered as Formula 3 Cars? If not then teams entering FIA European Championship could use them and test as much as they want.

- What about Eligibility for Macau GP? Are only drivers racing in the FIA Championship eligible?

The "old Spec" cars are still Formula 3 cars, but in the same way as a Brabham BT52 is Formula 1 car.

[edenrace]

The non F3 part according to the FIA is the engine. Only 2014 spec engines will count, the chassis are the same as FIA F3 in British and Open.

[NaBUru38]

Well, the FIA has backtracked a little. Now championships can use the F3 name if the cars were actual FIA F3 sometime in history.

So every championship in Europe can use it, except the new Euroformula Open, which uses a non-F3 engine.