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A repeat of the unjustified continual cuts to the 2019 Mustang to the point where it continually killed its tyres in the 2022 season and lost 80% rather than 50% of races is something Ford Performance would naturally seek to avoid. Quote:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2023/02/04...en3-supercars/ Ford Performance were naturally concerned about the making of the unverified changes made to their previous Mustang, and about the unreliability of the data gathered in the so-called VCAT testing when they observed this VCAT process for their new Mustang, and about the observed lack of straight line performance. Rushbrook even notes frustration at opaque -- not transparent -- Supercars rule makers refusing to allow Ford Performance to use tools (presumably variable timing) to improve engine calibration: Quote:
https://www.v8sleuth.com.au/ford-bos...arity-dispute/ Why would Rushbrook note frustration if he was happy with a transparent and respectful process?! Why would the "knobs and dials" be turned off if the Supercars organisers are fully committed to ensuring paritisation and no disadvantage?! Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 5 Feb 2023 at 00:15. |
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downforce and drag vs ride height vs speed vs yaw Obviously they can only get the yaw data by using a wind tunnel with a turntable, not by running up and down a runway. Nor by extracting from mini-sector times on a racetrack, as that is an asinine way of establishing aero data in yaw! Get this aero map data and release it to fans to show everything is equal -- "how hard can it be". |
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I understand your point but I really don't believe that 888 have undue influence in the process - the process itself is the issue. If Supercars want to race different body types/engines against each other than they need to step into the 21st century with their testing process. The problem now is even if they get the two cars even, because there is doubt in regards to the archaic process it's all to easy to point the finger. My suspicion is T8 develop their car around VCAT, Ford don't. No point making your car fast/slippery in a way that shows up at VCAT and T8 knows it |
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Roland's view on how Gen 3 is going and comments being made about it.
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Supercars has alot to answer for through this whole process. |
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There will be just as much sooking from "chev". That's the problem here, unless both models win an equal amount of races, someone will just use parity as an excuse and without data as evidence to the contrary, the punters might believe them.
Scary when you think no one is in the same class as SVG or T8, so when they go on a roll, and they will, be prepared for the complaining. Supercars need to release data that will contradict any parity complaints (they won't) |
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I'd find it hard to argue against the job Supercars has done on parity over the past 15 years. No manufacturer has dominated. Yes, drivers have dominated (Whincup, McLaughlin, van Gis) at various times, but a variety of teams have always been challenging. Just like the massive adavantage 888 were about to have from testing first, maybe we all shouldn't jump to the conclusion that Supercars are seeking to alienate half of its fans by screwing a manufacturer. |
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9 Feb 2023, 22:37 (Ref:4143325) | #1262 | ||
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Are we anticipating the WAU Camaros might show up with Red Bull branding on them somewhere?
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What are your credentials for making such a blanket statement? Rushbrook's whinging and politicking after what he and Penske did to the competition is appalling. |
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Penske just did what T8 have always done, except they did a better job and were lucky to have a generational talent steering. Tim Edwards is ensconced in Supercars (part of the commision etc). He only complains about things like "my poor driver got turned" etc. Hasn't got guts to speak up when matters |
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Scotty Mac undoubtedly special, but Cam Waters came 2nd in 2020 after the adjustments, proving the car was absolutely competitive and still was until the end of 2022. If you can't see that, you are literally blind. |
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So... whats the deal over at Team18?
One car without a full complement of stickers A second with a round by round branding proposition for the year.. Must be some serious money in forklifts... |
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...as were the Penske Mercedes pushrod Indy 500 engines too for that matter! Randomly adding front splitter extensions and bootlid Gurney to the rival Commodore (and removing endplate area from the Mustang) without VCAT testing is by comparison, not within the letter of the rules, where the official VCAT showed the cars already matching in downforce and drag at the required test parameters. Now, Ford Performance dispute however the parity of results found in 2023 VCAT testing and straight line data. This is a serious concern indeed! |
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Given the attempted manipulation of the Jan 2020 VCAT testing by Penske DJR/Ford, it would throw into question the team's practices that saw the 2019 car signed off.
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Have to say, All the Camaros look insance but Jack Smiths car looks outstanding
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12 Feb 2023, 21:50 (Ref:4143541) | #1274 | ||
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No 888 test this week either apparently..
What’s going on? Where are the media, on the lookout for a scoop?! |
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Looking at all the galleries of the new cars, I notice a Big difference to the front wings on the cars. Why do the Camaros have end plates on the front wings, and the Mustangs dont?
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