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11 Aug 2002, 21:19 (Ref:355531)
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10th win or Rubens?
Will TGF go for his record breaking 10th win of the season this weekend or go out of his way to help out Rubens? I don't see how he can fail to not win at least one more race this season , but will he get that out of the way first or help Rubens first? Tough call for him to make.
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11 Aug 2002, 21:29 (Ref:355547)
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I don't think MS will have it all his own way in Hungary. Williams and McLaren were a match for him in Monaco, which is similar.
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11 Aug 2002, 21:44 (Ref:355562)
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Michael is beatable , I think Rubens can beat him fair and square on his own .
I dont think he needs Michael's help...anyway , he's already said he doesnt want any favours from TGF ..... Respect to Rubens 
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11 Aug 2002, 21:46 (Ref:355564)
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If Schumi is leading the race and Rubens is second, he must surely give way. But I could imagine the record of most win pr. Season falls this year with 99% certainty.
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11 Aug 2002, 22:20 (Ref:355578)
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The win will feel even sweeter . |
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12 Aug 2002, 00:28 (Ref:355650)
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Not that I really care, but TGF will win this season so he can grab yet another record (oh, but of course, he's not after records...
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12 Aug 2002, 00:52 (Ref:355662)
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Let me get this straight, does it imply that you all don't mind a replay of Austria AS LONG AS MS is not the winner?
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12 Aug 2002, 16:11 (Ref:356173)
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Whatever happens at Ferrari will be rigged in advance. But I would guess that Rubens will not win another race this season and will be darned lucky to even start another race this season.
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"If we won all the time, we'd be as unpopular as Ferrari, and we want to avoid that. We enjoy being a team that everybody likes." Flavio Briatore
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12 Aug 2002, 16:43 (Ref:356194)
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Liz, I get the impression that you believe that TGF was the second gunman on the grassy knoll, is responsible for the devaluation of the Canadian dollar and everything that is "wrong" with F1!
There has been a "Number 1" and a "Number 2" in F1 for a long time. Curious that when Ferrari does something - the result is viewed as "rigged." Someone else does it and it is viewed as "team orders." I am not a big TGF fan but it does seem as if the reaction to him is more personal than based on his racing. MS helped Ferrari achieve their spot at the top and helps keep them there, more so than Rubens (a solid fellow, btw). Rubens knew the score when he signed on and renewed. He is free to go anywhere else as I am sure many teams would like to have him as a #1. I apologize to the monitors and you in advance if I come off at all rudely, it is not my intent - but I would like to discuss the possibilities of the upcoming race based on the merits of the drivers and the teams, not the various conspiracy theories be they real or imagined. |
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12 Aug 2002, 16:49 (Ref:356196)
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"team orders" is a polite way of saying "race fixing" isn't it?
I fail to see how anyone can possibly discuss the outcome of a race in which a Ferrari is virtually certain to win, without discussing the fact that the contract of the "No. 1" driver specifies that it will be he. This is not a conspiracy theory. It is a known fact, agreed to by everyone at Ferrari and announced to the world after the Austria Debacle. As long as Driver No. 1 is on the track, Driver No. 1 will win. That is written. |
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12 Aug 2002, 16:59 (Ref:356201)
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I did not say that I agreed with the concept. One must keep in mind that when we use terms like "what they said" it would be interesting to read the actual quote. Also, I would be curious to know what other teams have in their contracts - one might be surprised by what is found (or not).
All that I am saying is that from where I sit the reaction to anything Ferrari does appears to be more of an emotional response than anything else. i for one would rather be discussing this from the standpoint of who will win rather than presuming that Ferrari will a priori. Most likely it is not in Ruben's contract that he put sugar in the other teams' fuel or hide their impact wrenches or something. For example, what are Ferrari's chances? At this type of track do any of the other teams have a chance or some sort of advantage? What does anyone think of Kimi's chances? |
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12 Aug 2002, 17:24 (Ref:356208)
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[B]Originally posted by JohnSSC [B]
For example, what are Ferrari's chances? At this type of track do any of the other teams have a chance or some sort of advantage? What does anyone think of Kimi's chances? Or Montoya's? Or Ralf's? Or David's? Hungaroring is not about speed and engines. It's about chasis and experience. I don't think it's Kimi;s track. Ferrari still has good chances to win. If Rubens leads it the team will let he win. But they will hardly help him. Now it's not important who brings the points for WCC. If MSch leads he will not pass RB anyway. |
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12 Aug 2002, 17:30 (Ref:356212)
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Then do you think that Montoya can be kind enough to his chassis to bring home a good result?
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12 Aug 2002, 21:13 (Ref:356375)
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I dont want any team orders at Ferrari what so ever !
Let Rubens earn any wins he gets in the rest of the season . That way there worth something ! |
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12 Aug 2002, 21:17 (Ref:356381)
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12 Aug 2002, 23:24 (Ref:356516)
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Rubens will have to up his pace to get TGF's help.
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12 Aug 2002, 23:39 (Ref:356532)
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Same old  ... Now dont tell me that Ralf is saving his engine or tyres or chassis or or his bum or whatever... ok!O'Schu, Yeah Rubens will have to up his game.. that is, if his car comes off the jacks..
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13 Aug 2002, 02:07 (Ref:356592)
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Well Freud, my take is that Ralf of 2002 is not the Ralf from a few years ago. However, no one has mentioned Jaguar or Toyota. Have any of Jaguar's "improvements" resulted in anyone thinking they will be top 10, let alone in the points?
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13 Aug 2002, 02:54 (Ref:356610)
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Jaguar? Top 10?
 Seriously, they did appear to be improving in the two rounds previous to Germany, but their performance at Hockenheim was awful. They were so far off the pace and unreliable it was a return to their early form this year. It still isn't gelling, and they would be looking forward to 2003, with hopefully new drivers and new management (mostly, get rid of Lauda) |
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13 Aug 2002, 07:20 (Ref:356646)
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I picked Rubens to win in this week predictions...
but I fear the only race he will win is the race back to the hotel.. Rubens will be stepping out of the shower as MS makes his first pit stop...  Alan |
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13 Aug 2002, 09:34 (Ref:356704)
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17 Aug 2002, 12:24 (Ref:359694)
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Rubens has got the right start to win tomorrow, he also starts from the clean side of the track!
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18 Aug 2002, 08:51 (Ref:360112)
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Providing that Rubens actually manages to get away from the grid properly today,(and has no problems in the race) then the win is his i reckon (thats jinxed him
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19 Aug 2002, 00:51 (Ref:360776)
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Well, the question was solved: It was Rubens' win.
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