De Cadenet Lolas

[driftwood]

I take your point however LM 1234 does make sense and have they not been referred to these alongthe way?
calling the cars T380 hu1 the adc 77 adc 78 etc is misleading especially when
LM2 is entered later as Lola t286 lm3 is entered as SG lola etc
and even De cad & ACO where changing the names

im confident that we could call cars LM1234 and with the cars references alongside we will know what the car was in a given year ie LM3 is 1 car =ADC77/1 SG Lola or SG lola 381 is same car
LM1 is the BT33 based car
LM2 is T380 car cum T286
LM3 is ADC 77/1 cum SG Lola/SG Lola T381
LM4 is ADC 78/1 cum GLC 913
I think most guys would be happy to follow cars as De Cadenet LM1-4 as it cuts out the messy later owners titles that skew the cars true ID
you said
If we use LM2, LM3 and LM4, we are making the assumption that there was no car in between the 77 and the 78. i think thats fair to say its true no cars crashed to write off stateWhat if one day we find that there was? ok assume 1 car is badly crashed we could call it say LM3-2Maybe due to an accident to the original 77 car? Would we call it LM3-and-a-half? If these numbers were used by the team, officially or even informally, then they'd be fine to use. But I don't see that they were.
I'm watching the Superbowl and it's not really holding my attention now your leading a sad life thats a game of Rugby crossed with ozzie rules footie the yanks call Football -10 yards stop 5 yards stop 10 yards stop rather watch paint dry!

[AMICALEMANS]

Any news from people who now more than us, dear Driftwood ?

[driftwood]

i have been away a few days not had time to call the guys will try this tomorrow or friday

[AMICALEMANS]

i know i know now why 913 !!! It was the number of the Cosworth Engines
So
G for Gordon
L for Len
C for Cosworth

GLC 913 !

So know for LM3, SLG 781 ? 781 a cosworth ? who kows about these engines number...

[driftwood]

very high number for a cosworth

[AMICALEMANS]

I spent 7 hours at Retromobile today and bought a Brookland Books "Le Mans The Porsche Years 1975-1982" Its is race report from Autosport, Autocar, Motorsport, R&t and there is an interview of Keith Green in AUTOSPORT June 24 1976.

Question : What is this about the Cosworth DFV being of tremendous vintage, the engine Bruce McLaren used to win the 1968 belgian GP ?

Answer : It's engine number 913, the same block and crank that we ran last year and seven of the rods are the same (sorry there is 50 lines to copy ! and i am tired) He said also alain own also the 934...

Goodnight

[allenbrown]

Drifty, 913 means a 1969 engine, the 13th to be built in total. The first DFV was 701, not 001.

781 would not be a DFV number. They didn't build 81 engines in 1967!

[AMICALEMANS]

Mister Allen Brown, you are a great man ! Thanks a lot for your explanation !

So for LM3 the problem is now why SG lola 781 in 1979
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?i...hoto067wz7.jpg
or SLG 781 in 1980
http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?i...to066ooit4.jpg

[driftwood]

Thanks for dfv number info as i cant affiord 1 never taken much interest in them!

Spoke to Chris ADA re the car he had built allegedly around T290 lola
The tub was the lola T390 tub used as a show car he used T380 suspension he bought from De Cad & he made his own body
The car was written off by the Polish driver circa 87?

The LM4 De cad car was LolaT280 uprights bellhousing
the LM3 car was T380 suspension ( this car became the Ecosse written off at Brands? ) on the Thompson chassis

[AMICALEMANS]

Great find Driftwood, thanks.

But my english is poor, what means "uprights bellhousing" ?

[driftwood]

Upright= port moyeux
bellhousing - engine to gearbox spacer

forgot to say i now know where T380 Hu1 &2 are !!

They sleep next to each other

[AMICALEMANS]

THX for the translation !
Are both T380 in scandinavia ? it is cold at this place, that is why i presume the two cars sleep next to each other !

Allen, i got a problem with the 913, just because in the contemporary report of the race in Autosport, i read an interview of keith green by bob constanduros, who asked if the engines is the one which won the Belgium GP at SPA in 1968, with Bruce McLaren ! did you heard about that ?
It should be 813 ???

[allenbrown]

813 would have become 913 when updated to 1969 spec.

[AMICALEMANS]

Hello,

i have just finshed to wrote 7 pages (in french) about De Cadenet's car. i should now translate it in english. The story seems to be clear now, only mystery are about GLC 913 and SLG 781. But, i have a doubt about Colin Pool said to us : he said he bought LM4, and ran the car in some events. I found these events, but the car was named ADA !!!. So i am looking for picture...
Colin Poole (Pinguino) is still reading this thread ?

Thanks to him to answer.

[driftwood]

have just finshed to wrote 7 pages (in french) about De Cadenet's car. i should now translate it in english. The story seems to be clear now, only mystery are about GLC 913 and SLG 781.the car is 1 car its title is not important i think the name was given just to fillout the ACO paper so it appeared to be adiffeent car from the year before as we know the cars are lolat380 then same car with modified body them thompson chassis car with lola t380 corners then next car is thompson chassis with t280 corners

But, i have a doubt about Colin Pool said to us : he said he bought LM4, and ran the car in some events. I found these events, but the car was named ADA !!!. the car was NEVER ADA car- the ad01 car was different car lola t390 tub with t 380 corners a bubble roof was fitted- car may look similar but it was a totally different car to de cad cars
So i am looking for picture...
Colin Poole (Pinguino) is still reading this thread he told me the car was sold to Martin Birrane and he bought direct form De cad the car had t280 bellhousing and uprights NOT t380 parts- they where used on t380 car LM2 and LM3- this car became the Ecosse 84 car now destroyed as is the ADA01 group c car so today Lola t380 hu1 exist and LM4 car