IMSA Race 2016 Watkins Glen - Page 11

MaskedRacer · 3 Jul 2016, 20:15 (Ref:3656760)

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Originally Posted by tux

Those Ford prototypes

Fords are way faster than the other cars. Credit to Corvette #4 getting fourth I bet that feels like a win in some ways. Which is sad.

Impressed too that the Corvette DP's pulled this out LMPC as a whole did good too. Proto: 197 laps, LMPC 195, GTLM 190. I hate that class but they need credit today

Maelochs · 3 Jul 2016, 20:16 (Ref:3656761)

Well, a disappointment that the Mazdas didn't do better, but still an entertaining race.

GTLM-T put on a good show, and happily GTLM-NA didn't get in the way. Hand and Auberlen showed some real class .... Right after the announcers made a mouthful of stupid excuses for the PC cars running each other off the road in the interest of "good, hard racing" the pros showed what it is Really all about.

DP/P2 balance is about as good as it can get .... if the P2s had the power to catch the DPs on corner exit, they would be so fast that the DPs would have to have their own class (which is how it should be ... the stale leftover class.)

Pla set the fastest lap of the race ... got a podium. Nice the see the team fail to fail and self-destruct.

gert · 3 Jul 2016, 20:21 (Ref:3656763)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

DP/P2 balance is about as good as it can get .... if the P2s had the power to catch the DPs on corner exit, they would be so fast that the DPs would have to have their own class

Yeah, but that is also the problem. One kind of car is great in the corners, the other pulls away on the straight.
Overall, that may even out over a clear lap, but if a P2 gets stuck behind a DP, it can never get by without a little help from lapped traffic.

Lagunaseca_4life · 3 Jul 2016, 20:29 (Ref:3656764)

It was an alright race.congrats to all the winners.

Do p2s need power?yes,but can those engines handle it?

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Maelochs · 3 Jul 2016, 20:42 (Ref:3656765)

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Originally Posted by gert

Yeah, but that is also the problem. One kind of car is great in the corners, the other pulls away on the straight.

Same as it ever was .... Not as bad as it has been ,.... and probably as good as it can get.

In GT it is accepted that different cars do better on different tracks. I guess the issue is that a P2 can Always be terminally blocked by a DP.

Hope 2017 is better.

Akrapovic · 3 Jul 2016, 20:58 (Ref:3656766)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

Jules Bianchi. And the green flag is back out.

Europe has FCY and slow zones become widely used subdue then.

tux · 3 Jul 2016, 21:50 (Ref:3656778)

The problem is if you were to give the P2s more power then they would dominate the DPs and then the DP teams will cry.

TF110 · 3 Jul 2016, 23:07 (Ref:3656790)

Decent race. Bad for Mazda, but they had good speed at least. Next year no more dp, so I look forward to every car being the same type. GTE was ok. I just look at the sleek Ford and then see this big BMW sedan and feel like these cars aren't meant to race together in the same class. The M6 looks out of place with a Ford GT and Vette and Ferrari.

MaskedRacer · 4 Jul 2016, 00:26 (Ref:3656799)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Decent race. Bad for Mazda, but they had good speed at least. Next year no more dp, so I look forward to every car being the same type. GTE was ok. I just look at the sleek Ford and then see this big BMW sedan and feel like these cars aren't meant to race together in the same class. The M6 looks out of place with a Ford GT and Vette and Ferrari.

I think its great personally. GT3 is the same thing. GT racing is the best its ever been. But yeah Ford are the big swingers right now clearly. I was cheering for BMW though. I guess they played potential spoiler role to Ford today like Risi at Le Mans and Scuderia Corse at Laguna.

Speaking of which I think we'll only see the #68 Ferrari at Road Atlanta now?

TF110 · 4 Jul 2016, 00:29 (Ref:3656800)

I just don't like seeing a sedan run up there with an exotic or supercar. It just doesn't seem 'real' to me. BMW don't have any supercar so I guess the M6 is the best they can do.

TheMightyM · 4 Jul 2016, 00:44 (Ref:3656802)

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Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

Speaking of which I think we'll only see the #68 Ferrari at Road Atlanta now?

Unless they find some additional funding, that it correct.

Articus · 4 Jul 2016, 01:35 (Ref:3656808)

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Originally Posted by TF110

I just don't like seeing a sedan run up there with an exotic or supercar. It just doesn't seem 'real' to me. BMW don't have any supercar so I guess the M6 is the best they can do.

I think your perception of what is exotic or supercar is based in looks only.

Under the skin, these GTLM cars are all running similar gearboxes, electronics systems, safety harnesses, leader lights, common brake manufacturer, common tire, same fuel and so on.

The ford being an outlier with the carbon monocoque.

It's just the body that you are looking at, and I suppose that since that is the most visually present thing, then yes the M6 looks out of place. Other than looks, it's engineered to be a GTLM race car waivers and all.

TF110 · 4 Jul 2016, 03:36 (Ref:3656812)

The M6 is not an exotic, not even a supercar. It's a luxury coupe with a powerful engine. The Ford GT is a ~$500,000 exotic, supercar whatever. I'm not speaking anything about what the race cars have. To any ordinary person just tuning into the race, it looks like a mismatch and in real life it is. Had my gf watching with me and she noticed the same thing, plus the DP's racing lmp2.

TzeiTzei · 4 Jul 2016, 04:12 (Ref:3656814)

That was a good race. A P2 should have won this, but I have to give credit to the DP teams. Good drivers, strategy and pit stops. I actually think that we had a pretty good prototype field with 4 P2s against 4 DPs. No problem with BoP either, it doesn't really get more balanced than that with these cars.

What we saw in GTLM was that IMSA's BoP isn't really any better than ACO's.

schmidder · 4 Jul 2016, 05:18 (Ref:3656818)

Derani made some dp passes in the hpd....its not like the dps would have been able to pass the p2s had the p2s had better pit stops and gotten in front. It's what makes those two philosophies interesting to watch race,each other. Bop was pretty darn good imho, except gte

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Artur · 4 Jul 2016, 12:26 (Ref:3656875)

The cars improved by ~2.5s on QLF(vs 2014) and 4 to 5s on race best lap(vs last year). Can this be only due to repaving? The cars seemed so fast around corners and that alone would've made it great already. I'm really looking forward to Indy there

I watched the last 4 hours and enjoyed very much. Quite some nice battles developed and the greatest thing about them was that there was no artifice. Overtaking should be hard and the P2s vs DPs and Ford vs BMW battles showed how great a real hard fight is as the driver really needed to display great skill to pull of a pass, as well as the other one showing defensive race craft to keep the position.

Matt · 4 Jul 2016, 16:27 (Ref:3656926)

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Originally Posted by TF110

The M6 is not an exotic, not even a supercar. It's a luxury coupe with a powerful engine. The Ford GT is a ~$500,000 exotic, supercar whatever. I'm not speaking anything about what the race cars have. To any ordinary person just tuning into the race, it looks like a mismatch and in real life it is. Had my gf watching with me and she noticed the same thing, plus the DP's racing lmp2.

...and the Corvette can be had as a $50,000 car, your point?

TRuss · 4 Jul 2016, 17:07 (Ref:3656942)

I really enjoyed the race. I am now really looking forward to the rest of the season and wishing that I could make it back to my home state of Georgia for PLM.

Articus · 4 Jul 2016, 19:28 (Ref:3656968)

I wonder what will happen with the BOP in GTLM. Corvette and Porsche are just not competitive in the dry.

Matt · 4 Jul 2016, 19:57 (Ref:3656970)

Unedited photos from the weekend:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/984521...57669964147562

**skycafe** · 4 Jul 2016, 20:42 (Ref:3656976)

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Originally Posted by Articus

I wonder what will happen with the BOP in GTLM. Corvette and Porsche are just not competitive in the dry.

I wonder which manufacturer is going to walk out, or threaten to.

carbsmith · 4 Jul 2016, 22:52 (Ref:3656987)

Corvettes have had awful BoP from this point in the season on every year of this series, it seems whoever is Fehan's boss is perfectly fine with the GT car being competitive in the Florida and California races then getting all the good BoP given to the Corvette DPs.

Porsche is not even properly running under the new rules so they have a lot less leverage to complain about this season.

hondafan37 · 5 Jul 2016, 01:10 (Ref:3656997)

Ferrari is also below Ford in the BOP too.

canamman · 5 Jul 2016, 01:50 (Ref:3657002)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Unedited photos from the weekend:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/984521...57669964147562

That #540 911 GTD Silver and Green Livery is just awesome.
Good work !
Thanks for sharing.

Artur · 5 Jul 2016, 03:02 (Ref:3657012)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I love that Conti says the teams aren't using proper pressure that is why the tires keep going down.

I know an Italian company that uses the exact same excuse but that's when their tires explode on plain sight, and such thing happens quite often with their products.

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Originally Posted by gert

Yeah, but that is also the problem. One kind of car is great in the corners, the other pulls away on the straight.
Overall, that may even out over a clear lap, but if a P2 gets stuck behind a DP, it can never get by without a little help from lapped traffic.

Derani passed some DPs a couple of times. I guess it requires a very skilled driver? If so, I approve it as overtaking shouldn't be something easy for everyone to do it, imho.

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Originally Posted by TF110

I just don't like seeing a sedan run up there with an exotic or supercar. It just doesn't seem 'real' to me. BMW don't have any supercar so I guess the M6 is the best they can do.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TF110

The M6 is not an exotic, not even a supercar. It's a luxury coupe with a powerful engine. The Ford GT is a ~$500,000 exotic, supercar whatever. I'm not speaking anything about what the race cars have. To any ordinary person just tuning into the race, it looks like a mismatch and in real life it is. Had my gf watching with me and she noticed the same thing, plus the DP's racing lmp2.

I agree, a sedan is completely out of place with GTs/sportscars

The BMW M6 looks like an ordinary, although luxury, street car while the others look agressive and sporty. There is no match and it's just that, imho.

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