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12 Dec 2003, 20:21 (Ref:810516)
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I'm still having problems pronouncing that word - do you put the emphasis on the % or the &
 But seriously - yes - it is all political bulltish - the category that deserves the GOld Star is the one that has the most competitive cars, series and drivers - and that is most certainly NOT F4000 PBH Last edited by RaceTime; 12 Dec 2003 at 20:21. |
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12 Dec 2003, 21:52 (Ref:810575)
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Well it's pretty simple. If F4000 does not get their act together next year, bye. And it's not likely to happen without corporate or manufacturer support.
There are probably a lot of cars that used to run in F4000 sitting in garages somewhere, so it might make for a good club series. Spare parts for the chassis are freely available from europe. |
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13 Dec 2003, 01:52 (Ref:810689)
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They haven't had their act togethor for a couple of years now.
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13 Dec 2003, 02:24 (Ref:810700)
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But nothing has happened in F4000 for 2 years now, how many chances should they get before bye byes?
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13 Dec 2003, 03:06 (Ref:810714)
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Depends on who you alk to. CAMS seems to think they should be given chance after chance after chance. My opinion is that CAMS will continue to try and give the Gold Star to Formule Brabham/Holden/4000 PBH until F3 has disappeared - it seems to be a witch hunt against F3 more than anything else.
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13 Dec 2003, 03:15 (Ref:810715)
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Formula 4000 is prepared to pay more to CAMS for the right to run the Gold Star. Simple Economics even if there is only 6 or regular competitors.
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13 Dec 2003, 03:51 (Ref:810724)
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Ah, but Holden used to pay the bills over there, and ensured that CAMS were well fed and watered... will it retain this level of largesse now that the category is no longer named after it?
If the category can afford to keep CAMS in the luxury to which we would all like to live, why arent they spending some of this money tree-sourced wealth on providing a half decent field?? |
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13 Dec 2003, 04:14 (Ref:810736)
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That attitude (CAMS) strikes me as odd - they charge Ingall and Skaife for bringing the sport into disrepute over on track motor racing - but for allowing 6 car fields they believe it is 'for the good of motor sport'
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13 Dec 2003, 04:15 (Ref:810738)
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A recent quote from a champ car comentator on CART can be applied here "CAMS are like the roach hotel, you check your money in but you never check it out."
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13 Dec 2003, 04:21 (Ref:810741)
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Careful - I got reported as a trouble make early last month because I talked about the money grabbing hands of CAMS (mind you the person reported a) quoted out of context and b) didn't have the guts to discuss it with me - instead hid behind an email to CAMS...
So - be careful what you say about CAMS - they don't like the concepts of free speech and saying what you think... |
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13 Dec 2003, 04:41 (Ref:810747)
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CAMS is a bunch of robbing pricks and I am not afraid to say it!
Formula Holden will not die because Tim Schenken loves it! |
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13 Dec 2003, 04:56 (Ref:810751)
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CAMS are like a hungry dog the more you feed it the hungrier they get. Thats why F3 arn't coming up with the doe. The F4000 series business plan has to be approved by CAMS before they get the Gold Star. If the business plan is not up to scratch (Not more doe than F3) then F3 will probably get the Gold Star. F3's best bet is to sit it out until F4000 eventualy toss the towel in. It's an awful lot of money for six competitors to throw in to keep the F4000 series going with CAMS Fees & TV rights especialy without the Holden money.
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13 Dec 2003, 05:38 (Ref:810757)
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The tyres being used this year are harder and slower than last years tyres, and last years tyres again slower than the Dunlop's when all the lap records were set. Hence no Will Power or Rick Kelly lap records. I'm a lover of F3 and F4000 because they are real racing cars not like all the other S%$% in OZ. When you say only 6 drivers in the Gold Star, how many are in f3? there were only 5 runners all year going for the main prize, and its the same for most categories there are only 5 decent drivers in mnay of the fields
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13 Dec 2003, 05:49 (Ref:810761)
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From the F4000 Website Total Competiors is around 13 (capacity if all cars are filled)
TEAM NUMBER DRIVER CLASS CHASSIS Hocking Motorsport 74 Drive Available Gold Star Reynard 98D 75 Nelson Hartley Gold Star Reynard 98D Ralt Australia 11 Daniel Gaunt Gold Star Reynard 94D 12 Jonny Reid Gold Star Reynard 96D Mantis Racing 17 Michael Joannou Gold Star Reynard 96D Murphy Motorsport 4 Peter Hill Gold Star Reynard 95D Formula UNO Racing 32 Ricky Occhipinti Gold Star Reynard 98D CPA Australia Racing 34 Paul Trengove Gold Star Reynard 95D Fremder Automotive - Simon Kane Gold Star Reynard 92D Pure Power Motorsport 69 Drive Available Gold Star Reynard 97D Peters Racing 24 Ian Peters Silver Star Reynard 91D CRD Motorsports 49 Rohan Carrig Silver Star Reynard 92D Clearihan Racing 27 Terry Clearihan Silver Star Reynard 92D Last edited by mtpanorama; 13 Dec 2003 at 09:29. |
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13 Dec 2003, 06:33 (Ref:810779)
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I count 7 Gold Star runners and I can't remember one of them running all year.
In contrast, The Championship class in F3 regularly fielded 11-12 cars all year plus another 7-8 Trophy Class cars. Next years field should be 13-14 Championship cars and at least 10 Trophy cars. And that's not taking into account the competitors from the Asian series that want to make a more regular appearance down here. The tyre issue does not account for the time deficit we are talking about. Yes, Yokohama had some problems but they are not 2 sec a lap slower. If the Gold Star is a pure bidding war then no wonder it mean less and less every year. Remember, commercial success does not equal technical merit. Just look at Microsoft. Tim Schenken does not want to see F4000 lose the Gold Star as he is one of the originators and therefore his towering ego will not allow it. F3's biggest problem is that Tim didn't think of it (or can't claim to have thought of it). |
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13 Dec 2003, 07:56 (Ref:810792)
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Simon Kane has come back! Gee thought he must have kicked the bucket. He had an elder brother Chris than looked like doing wonderful things in F2 years ago and just disappeared.
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14 Dec 2003, 11:12 (Ref:811497)
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I thought there was a regulation that stated that for a race to count as a Gold Star round, there was a minimum number of starters (or entrants) that had to be fulfilled.
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15 Dec 2003, 12:45 (Ref:812117)
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Well for state championships in most state there must be 10 bona fide entries or else points are alloted...
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15 Dec 2003, 20:53 (Ref:812489)
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That's state championship's, which have to show a profit for the organising club when the meeting is run - this is the Gold Star and CAMS....
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15 Dec 2003, 20:56 (Ref:812493)
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And it depends on the size of payments made. F3 were told they needed a minimum number of starters to be classified as a national championship and the number was high than the formula holden efforts. The difference is F3 are coughing up as much as F4000 so therefore no Gold Star.
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16 Dec 2003, 01:10 (Ref:812678)
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I know that F3 still pays a pile of dough every year for the rights to their own category management agreement, which is a must if you don't want CAMS sticking thier nose into everything.
So how much must F4000 pay for that AND the Gold Star? |
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16 Dec 2003, 04:39 (Ref:812750)
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Around $50,000 per year is the figure I am hearing. For that money F3 are better off sticking it out until F4000 say no more.
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