Group A BMW 635 CSi - a popular, solid performer

[vap]

hi guys could you tell me what site the picture or info are on with the frech supertourisme 635's

[GBRM]

I finally found a picture of a 635CSI!! In the silver car behin Dad's Monza, I can't see who's car it is and I don't seem to have a programme, I think it's '84 but I can't work out where, maybe Snetterton?

[ian beckett]

Pretty sure the year is 1984 when three drivers ran 635's in British Production races...Barry Williams,Albert Mirko and John Clark. Not sure which of these three the photo is of.

[GBRM]

Originally Posted by ian beckett

Pretty sure the year is 1984 when three drivers ran 635's in British Production races...Barry Williams,Albert Mirko and John Clark. Not sure which of these three the photo is of.

Good shout Ian, I am fairly sure that is john Clark's car, he definitely had a sliver one, Squeaker's was white and I don't remember Albert Mirko's but it may come back to me.

[chunterer]

Yes ian I also believe it's 1984 and 'm pretty sure the silver car in this shot is Mirko's (also seen in previous posted images in the thread).

I thought Clark's and Whizzo's were white?

[GBRM]

Maybe John's was white too then, it just seemed to poke one of my childhood memories, I was only 6 when this was taken, so I could be wrong.

I have to admit I was the page before, I just found two pictures of John L in a mk2 Astra and what was funnier it then jogged my memory of going round Snetterton at one of the BHF days and ramming Martin Carrol's Mercedes Cosworth up the bum down the Revett straight!! I thought it was Barbara Cowell's Astra but seeing these pictures reminded me.

[chunterer]

Ooops!!!

Off topic. By the way, that pic of Tim Harvey racing your dad, will probably be of great interest to TSA who was asking after the history of the prdsaloon Vitesses at the beginning of the thread.

[blinkybm]

I have been looking through more of my "635 files" and came up with this car. Unfortunately no chassis number, and you gents may well know of it.
Was for sale in January this year by a German outfit called GS Motorsport. They sent me the following:

"BMW 635 CSI Original 1982 Car built by BMW, Works Car, Ex Brun.
1984 and 1985 win this car the 24h Nürburgring
1984 Felder / Bröhling / Peter Oberndorfer BMW 635 CSi
1985 Felder / Hammelmann / Walterscheid-Müller BMW 635 CSi "

I'll keep looking for other cars...
Cheers!

[KA]

Originally Posted by blinkybm

I have been looking through more of my "635 files" and came up with this car. Unfortunately no chassis number, and you gents may well know of it.
Was for sale in January this year by a German outfit called GS Motorsport. They sent me the following:

"BMW 635 CSI Original 1982 Car built by BMW, Works Car, Ex Brun.
1984 and 1985 win this car the 24h Nürburgring
1984 Felder / Bröhling / Peter Oberndorfer BMW 635 CSi
1985 Felder / Hammelmann / Walterscheid-Müller BMW 635 CSi "

I'll keep looking for other cars...
Cheers!

Yes, I've got that one. The description you got from GS might help identify it though, as it gives a little more detail than I noted down from the advert I saw- Ian posted some info on ex-Walter Brun cars a while back, but I couldn't originally match this one up with Ian's info at the first try. There were a couple of Group A 635s on the market in Germany in the last year or so, both listed on the same website a few months back, the one you mentioned and a black car with DTM history- sadly neither had chassis numbers listed...

I've found another one as well- (don't think I've posted this link before?)- in a collection of pics of the Nurburgring Museum, (bottom of the page). From the list of drivers' names on the front wing, looks like it's one of the cars campaigned by Seikel Motorsport in the ETCC- think they also ran a Mustang and 1600cc class Audi 80's, as well as at least one 635...
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ga...seum/index.htm

[ian beckett]

Yes,this car at the Nurburgring museum is the ex-Seikel Motorsport car first raced by them in '85 at the Monza ETCC.The car is ex- Garage du Bac who had raced it in the French championship in'84for Fabien Giroix and at the '84 Spa 24 hours#9.When Seikel first ran it the car still had a Garage du Bac sunstrip on the windscreen and the colours were as the French team had used minus their sponsors lettering(mainly Motul).The drivers names who ran for Seikel are all recorded on the car at the Nurburgring museum.I do not know of a chassis number for the car but think it was originally built by Eggenberger.Garage du Bac also had a car built to the French regulations which Jean-Pierre Malcher had raced in '83 in very similar colours.

[KA]

Great stuff Ian, thanks for that. As that gives us a pretty complete basic history for that car I'll add it to the list with chassis number unknown at present. I see what you mean about Seikel keeping the Garage du Bac colourscheme:
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-07-29-009.jpg

Anyone passing by the 'Ring in the near future like to drop into the museum and check the chassis number for us....

Next instalment of the chassis number summary follows later this evening...

[KA]

Next instalment of the chassis list- think we're up to RA2/40something...

RA2/44
1984 JPS Team BMW- Bathurst (Hulme/von Bayern)
1985 JPS Team BMW- Jim Richards ATCC Championship winner
1986 Garry Rogers- raced in both JPS and Bob Jane colours
July 87-Jan 90: Joe Sommariva.
Jan 90- sold to Jim Richards
Nov 1993- sold to John Hebron
Feb 2005- sold to David Towe
2006- sold to Adrian Brady (thanks to Adrian for the PM giving the dates for the changes of ownership!)

RA2/46
1984- Ted Grace/Malcolm Gartlan. Group N car for Barrie Williams
1985- sold to John Morton in NZ by Frank Sytner
1985-97- used as road car for part of this period
Rebuilt to Group A spec- currently with Gerry Hodges and for sale 2007

RA2/050
Schnitzer customer car for Manuel Fernandes.
1985-8 Manuel Fernandes:
1985(Brut 33 sponsorship)- Portuguese Champion
1986/7 (Traffic Clothing sponsorship)
1988 (Mustang Clothing sponsorship)

[KA]

and another 3...

RA2/51
1984 Bavaria Automobiles, France
ETCC 1984-6, including 3 appearances at Spa 24 hours
Now with Florent Moulin, France
http://www.florentmoulin.com

RA2/54
1984 Carlos Rodrigues, Portugal
1985 Robert Giannone, Portugal. Damaged by fire at Estoril ETC round 1985. Possibly written off, although might have been rebuilt and raced by Giannone until 87

RA2/55
1985 Schnitzer ETCC (BMW M-Technic) 2nd place Spa 24 hours
Goold Motorsport (Australia) for Bathurst 1985
1986 Goold Motorsport/Bob Jane- raced at Sandown, Bathurst & Fuji
1986- Bob Jane Corporation. Still owned in 2007?

[KA]

RA2/58
1984 Schnitzer (Wurth) Ravaglia/Berger
sold to Balcanca, Bulgaria

RA2/60
1985 Schnitzer (Original BMW Teile) Spa 24 hours winner
1986 Schnitzer?
possibly sold to Finland
2006- under restoration by Alex Elliott

RA2/62
1985- red car, listed as supplied to BMW GB....

[KA]

RA2/66
JPS Team BMW display car (roadgoing)
for sale 2007?

RA2/74
1985- Yoshimi Enterprises, Japan

RA2/75
1985 Schnitzer (BMW M-Technik)
1986 Garage du Bac, France
subsequent owners in Spain
now with Ten-tenths member 'vap' 2007

RA2/77
RA2/78
RA2/79
1986 Schnitzer

[KA]

I think that's everything we've been able to tie up to a chassis number. There are also a few cars for which we've got part-histories, but no chassis number. I've got a couple of these I can post now, and I'll go back through the thread to see if there are any more....

Chassis no. unknown
1984 Garage du Bac, France. French Championship & Spa (Fabien Giroix)
1985 Seikel Motorsport, Germany. raced in ETCC 1985-7
Now in Nurburgring Museum

Chassis number unknown (Ian mentioned a chassis number of AF16849)
1984 Brun Motorsport
1985 sold to Rolf Goring
1986/7 Axel Felder

[KA]

Originally Posted by vap

hi guys could you tell me what site the picture or info are on with the french supertourisme 635's

I've seen a couple of photos around on the web- this is one

http://circuits.skyrock.com/article_553415827.html

and I've seen a photo somewhere of a car driven by Anny-Charlotte Verney. I think that came from a French forum, but can't remember where....I'll see if I can find it again

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by KA

Chassis number unknown (Ian mentioned a chassis number of AF16849)
1984 Brun Motorsport

I took a pic of an orange Jagermeister car that Stuck won the 1984 DTM title with apparently in the German museum of science and industry near Stuttgart last year. Wonder if that this one?

I'll try and post it soon.

[Gerard Hodges]

Hi KA fantastic job with the chasis no,s. Some more info, chassis no E24 RA1-01 owners names Gavin and Myles Hicks, NZ, the car in the Nurburgring museum is #E24 RA2-38 ex Eggenburger. I looked at it when i was there last year. # E24 RA2-66 is owned by Hugh Tunley NZ. My car #E24 RA2-46 has been restored in grp N spec not A, and is still for sale, Iwould still love any pictures/ photos/ info on my car, when it ran in the UK.
Gerry Hodges.

[Gerard Hodges]

Originally Posted by chunterer

I took a pic of an orange Jagermeister car that Stuck won the 1984 DTM title with apparently in the German museum of science and industry near Stuttgart last year. Wonder if that this one?

I'll try and post it soon.

Hi Guys, I have seen the Jagermeister car in the same Museum & if my memory serves me correctly (I did write it down, but can't find it now) it was Chassis # RA1-25.
I have also seen another article (I think it was in BMW Car magazine - I'll try & find it) on chassis # RA2-40. It is still alive & well competing in Germany.
Cheers, Gerry

[KA]

Brilliant stuff- looks like I've got a few updates to do already... I'll add these details and chassis numbers into the list later

[blinkybm]

Hi KA , just a little correction re chassis 046. It should read "converted to Group N spec" as that is how Whizzo Williams raced it, and how it went to NZ. Still is in GRP N spec...

[ian beckett]

Here are my last few entries where I have actual chassis numbers which have not been added yet.1)Mullerbrau team from Germany had BMW Motorsport '83 built car....RA 27/ 2) Schnitzer #7 now in Munich BMW museum. 3) Schnitzer #13 ex Eterna sold to Serge Power in Belgium and then to Michel de DEyne. 4)Schnitzer #31 ex Meisterfoto/Bellof sold to Gubin Motorsport for Volker Strycek (German champ in it in '84). 5)Ralf Goring had ex Brun(AF 16849)in ETCC and hillclimbs. As a final observation the silver Group N car was in fact Albert Mirkos prepared by Colin Davids. Ian.

[KA]

Updated information

Originally Posted by KA

AAA01
works prototype- loaned to BS Automotive for early 1983 Trimoco rounds until RA1/001 completed

RA001 (the chassis number has also been listed in the thread as RA2/01....)
Eggenberger 1983 ETCC (Kelleners/Grano)
CC Motorsport (BMW GB)- 1984 BTCC (spare car)
Frank Sytner 1985- sold on to Graeme Crosby in NZ- (maybe went to Jumet Motors in Belgium first?)
Graham Lorimer 1986/7- rebuilt using parts from the ex-Kent Baigent RA2/035
Now with Gavin & Myles Hicks in NZ- under restoration

RA1/001
BS Automotive (Cheylesmore BMW). 1983 BTCC (Stuck)
crashed and written off- reshelled as RA1/029

[KA]

Update- added RA1/25, RA1/27

Originally Posted by KA

RA1/022
BMW France
sold to Frank Sytner
sold to Johnstone BMW in NZ
now owned by Dougal McGibbon (NZ)

RA1/25
Brun Motorsport? (Jagermeister) Stuck- 1984 DTM Champion
now in Museum of Science & Industry, Stuttgart

RA1/27
Mullerbrau Team, Germany

RA1/029
BS Automotive (Cheylesmore) replacement chassis for RA1/001
1983 BTCC- Stuck
1984 BTCC (Grundig)- David Kennedy
1985- sold to Brian Chatfield, used in a few BTCC rounds
1986- Manns Racing- (Barry Barnes) at Donington ETCC round- DNS?
1986- Barry Robinson- appeared at Silverstone TT
1988- Peter Buxtorf
subsequent owners, Nigel Smith, Kevin Underwood, Peter Speis.
Now with Alex Elliott?

RA2/034
Schnitzer (Original Teile) 1984 ETCC (Quester/Stuck)
1985 sold to Simon Emmerling in Australia
Still with Emmerling, rebuilt into Sports Sedan with Holden or Chevy V8. Crashed 2006