Dutch Touring Cars

cybersdorf · 21 Nov 2002, 11:08 (Ref:433857)

I need some info about the Dutch Touring Car Championship, and its plans to convert to a V8Star format. Can anyone tell me more about this?

dinkytoy · 1 Dec 2002, 20:39 (Ref:440715)

There will be no V8 star Championship for Holland, only the planned V8 star races .

People are working on a restart of the Dutch Touring Car Championship, combining the cars from Holland to the cars in Belgium. So there will be a Be-Ne series open to DTCC (DTC) cars, FIA Super Production(261) and Belgian Group N as from the 2002 PRO-CAR series.

At the middle of this month (December) the decission will be taken if this all goes through.

cybersdorf · 1 Dec 2002, 21:00 (Ref:440727)

Aha! Thanks a lot.

dinkytoy · 11 Dec 2002, 19:48 (Ref:447817)

Update BE-NE championship.
There will be NO BE-NE Championship, the Belgians will do the trick alone.

cybersdorf · 14 Dec 2002, 12:50 (Ref:449774)

So what now, will the Dutch series carry on regardless?
The latest thing I heard was "Dutch V8STAR in 2004". Right or wrong this time?

dinkytoy · 14 Dec 2002, 16:19 (Ref:449856)

2004 is still a long way to go, but I think the Dutch promoters of the V8 Championship will try to get a proper championship in 2004, or they will persudae the German Promoter to include as much races in their 2004 championship that it will count towards a Dutch Championship. I doubt if that will be the case as for a Dutch Championship you need at least 7 cars and only one round might be held outside the country of the national championship.........so I think the V8 will go as a FIA International Series...............

cybersdorf · 14 Dec 2002, 16:32 (Ref:449867)

Quote:

Originally posted by dinkytoy
only one round might be held outside the country of the national championship

Well, if you give up the "Championship" status and call it a "Challenge" or whatever, you are free to race where you please

An FIA V8STAR series? Somehow I doubt that - the FIA is in bed with the manufacturers (talk about promiscuity) and V8STAR type silhouette series aren't in the manufacturers' interest...
Isn't there a similar spec. silhouette series in NL already, with 2l Ford engines?

dinkytoy · 14 Dec 2002, 17:14 (Ref:449886)

It might NOT be a FIA series, but a FIA sanctioned International Series.
There is a somekind of silhoutte seies in Holland called the VEGE series, which started out as a Ford Sierra Championship, but it transformed in a series with fibre glass bodied spaceframed cars with Ford Sierra running gear. Next season they hope to update the engine department with a 2.0 litre Opel Speedster engine.and....this is in fact the starting class for V8 stars..........

Turkington Fan · 14 Dec 2002, 17:18 (Ref:449888)

Sounds like Eurocars to me....

cybersdorf · 14 Dec 2002, 17:38 (Ref:449900)

Quote:

Originally posted by dinkytoy
It might NOT be a FIA series, but a FIA sanctioned International Series.

Isn't it that already? (not that it makes a difference, just curious.)

Quote:

....this is in fact the starting class for V8 stars..........

allow me: http://www.vege-series.nl
Why is it the Belgians decided to go it alone after all?

dinkytoy · 15 Dec 2002, 08:06 (Ref:450214)

Money, Money, Money!

cybersdorf · 15 Dec 2002, 13:38 (Ref:450387)

They don't have any, or they don't want to give any?

kmchow · 15 Dec 2002, 17:28 (Ref:450478)

Quote:

Originally posted by dinkytoy
2004 so I think the V8 will go as a FIA International Series...............

Well, we know what happened when a championship last went international ('96 DTM??)

cybersdorf · 15 Dec 2002, 17:47 (Ref:450495)

Quote:

Originally posted by kmchow
Well, we know what happened when a championship last went international ('96 DTM??)

It doesn't really compare (well, maybe it does insofar as a bad idea is a bad idea

) - The ITC keeled over when a manufacturer withdrew; the V8s don't have manufacturer involvement at all. The ITC cars got too extreme; the V8 chassis are identical and controlled.
Does the world need an international V8STAR series?
Anyway, the one advantage of this concept is that technical development (and, therefore, cost) can't go over the top which makes it more predictable. Therefore may be a viable alternative for national championships in smaller countries, where there isn't that much money to go around. And the thing still has some kind of sporting value; the cars are real racers, and challenging to drive.
Other than that, I guess it's a bit of a waste of time really.

kmchow · 16 Dec 2002, 05:47 (Ref:450827)

Quote:

Originally posted by cybersdorf
allow me: http://www.vege-series.nl
Why is it the Belgians decided to go it alone after all?

The bodystle is so familiar yet I can't really put my name on it. Is it an Audi A4??

Hobson · 16 Dec 2002, 09:12 (Ref:450915)

The cars on that link are the same as T-Cars in the UK.

cybersdorf · 16 Dec 2002, 14:33 (Ref:451165)

Quote:

Originally posted by Hobson
The cars on that link are the same as T-Cars in the UK.

And what are those?

Chris Gray · 16 Dec 2002, 14:40 (Ref:451169)

They're like a scholarship car for under 16s I think.

Hobson · 16 Dec 2002, 15:18 (Ref:451184)

Wasn't Tom Chilton a graduate from them?

Hobson · 16 Dec 2002, 16:58 (Ref:451248)

Heres some info on T-Cars:
www.ryanlewis.com/tcar.htm
www.ryanlewis.com/t-more.htm

redshoes · 16 Dec 2002, 18:21 (Ref:451301)

T-cars are tubular frame cars with a generic body not designed to look like anything in particular, fitted with 1.6l Vauxhall engine. The same cars are raced in Ireland with bigger engines as RT2000.

Marcel ten Caat · 5 Jan 2003, 10:16 (Ref:464294)

Vege series is similar to that.

Tubular frame cars with a generic body. Polyester body on it that you won't see on the normal roads. A complete strange model with familiar looks.

The engine is a Ford 2.0 OHC, which will give the cars 200bhp in 2003.

cybersdorf · 5 Jan 2003, 15:01 (Ref:464481)

Quote:

Originally posted by Stranger
A complete strange model with familiar looks.

Better than a familiar model with strange looks

Do such spec. concepts have enough of a sporting value, and enough "prestige" (or whatever), to be a country's premier TC series?

johanhesselink · 25 Jul 2008, 09:22 (Ref:2257650)

They have a rivival!

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