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Old 9 May 2018, 09:09 (Ref:3820969)   #6286
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At least there was some interest in the race. I still doubt Fred was a deciding factor in the race
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Old 9 May 2018, 21:59 (Ref:3821138)   #6287
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At the end of the race #8 was far from being in its best shape, #7 recovered the whole gap and could easily overtake and win the race.

But you know.... "fernando is faster than you" it's quite a recent past motorsport trademark
And all too easy to quote, requote, repeat, regurgitate, blah, blah..... Time to get lives I think and realise that 'Move over Claude' has had a place in motor racing since the year dot. Once upon a time drivers were called in to hand over their car to the 'star turn'.
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Old 14 May 2018, 19:08 (Ref:3822398)   #6288
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I've not paid much attention to this thread lately so sorry if this is repetition.

The current issue of Racecar Engineering has a write up on the TS050 which includes an insight into the cooling testing Toyota were doing outside of EoT parameters at the Prologue.
The battery pack used to be air conditioned and the compressor was driven by the front electric motor. That's why it took so much longer to change the front hybrid system at LM last year compared to Porsche, who had a similar failure. The gas in the air con had to be evacuated and then recharged, adding half an hour to the process.
This year they have ditched the air con in favour of conventional radiators, hence the extra stress testing.

It seems the new system is lighter too. Although the rads are bigger, no air con means no compressor or condensor.

There is no cabin air con either, just vents and fans.
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Old 14 May 2018, 19:39 (Ref:3822401)   #6289
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Could also partly explain the issues with both cars at Spa with overheating, given that cooling could be more important than last year, though it's probably worth it should the front ERS drive fail again.
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Old 14 May 2018, 19:40 (Ref:3822402)   #6290
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They need to sort out cooling, that could be a stumbling block at Le Mans. Hopefully they’ll find a solution
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Old 15 May 2018, 01:01 (Ref:3822467)   #6291
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#8 had cooling issue due to front splitter damage.
#7 didn't have cooling issue (at least with the battery cooling)
I dont think the cooling is big issue with TS050.
I'm more worried about collision with other cars...TS050's body is made so thin that any collision will cause the car to not work as it should... Both Porsche and Audi made a lot stronger body work
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This article (Masakiyo Kojima interview) explains revised point of 2018 TS050 powertrain.
https://jp.motorsport.com/wec/news/w...gazoo-1037671/

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Reliability is improved. And fine-tuning was done.

*Battery:
Since the heat resistance of the battery improved,
the cooling system parts became lighter and simplified.

*Fuel:
Since fuel changed to TOTAL, they had difficulty in optimization.
Although the problem is solved at present, unexpected parts broke in the beginning.
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Old 15 May 2018, 05:17 (Ref:3822502)   #6293
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#8 had cooling issue due to front splitter damage.
#7 didn't have cooling issue (at least with the battery cooling)
I dont think the cooling is big issue with TS050.
I'm more worried about collision with other cars...TS050's body is made so thin that any collision will cause the car to not work as it should... Both Porsche and Audi made a lot stronger body work
I remember Porsche and Toyota rubbing last year, especially at COTA and they were not affected. Neither was the Porsche. The #9 Toyota had a hard hit in the first lap at Le Mans and they were ok, just a nose change and the car was good to go. I think abusing the curbs can cause some damage to the splitter. Pick up from tire debris and/or carbon parts from other cars as well. There was a few pieces of debris at Spa floating around the track.
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Old 15 May 2018, 16:09 (Ref:3822616)   #6294
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With the change from AC to actual radiational cooling that does mean that more emphasis could be placed on the cooling system of the car, hence the run at the Prologue without EOT.

Only disadvantage is that they'll have to pay more attention to temperature fluctuations but considering that working on the AC system cost them so much time last year, it's probably worth it in the end if they have another front ERS drive failure.
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Well we’ll have to see how much impact this rule change has. Certainly Toyota will have to make sure they leave no stone unturned
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They did say the test at the Prologue was done also because they didn't have much warm-weather testing. They're supposed to test again at Spa with ByKolles. I think that's going on this week.
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Old 15 May 2018, 20:40 (Ref:3822685)   #6297
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They certainly have the budget to get through any problem they have
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They did say the test at the Prologue was done also because they didn't have much warm-weather testing. They're supposed to test again at Spa with ByKolles. I think that's going on this week.
They are scheduled to be tested at SPA from 23rd to 24th. However, this is their standard routine before leman and gonna be doing Le man components shakedown. Not expecting any news from there
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Old 16 Jun 2018, 12:47 (Ref:3829896)   #6299
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"We will come back stronger next year"

Why Toyota is not going to win LM this year (and ever if they don’t change their approach)?

You can call me a hater but all this below comes from frustration as I like the brand and their road cars which are famous for their relability
But as we all know there is a paradox: the most reliable road cars are produced by a company which fails to win the most important endurance race for ca. 30 years and multiple attempts mostly due to reliability problems and so called "bad luck"
And why is that? My remarks are mostly relevant to the TMG from hybrid era but could be also valid for earller efforts.

IMO they simply always refuse to give it their 100%

Of course it is the people involved. Beginning with Mr. Toyoda, who reportedly wants this race badly, but looks like he doesn't care much in reality.
In the TMG itself there is no one who can persuade the board to give them what it takes.
Especially in the Audi and Porsche era. Why the others were spending more money? Maybe because they thought that it was simply necessary to win.
Toyota is spending 80-100 milions for couple of years without success. Maybe it was sensible to give it much more for at least one time and actuallly save The cars are designed by the same people. They end up fast but with poor reliability and hard to service under pressure.
The team is run and managed by the same people which keep making bad decisions it seems.
Then the engineers: for example, the incident with Buemi and the broken hybrid in #8. First, the telemetry failed to discover antything is wrong with the car, not mentioning what it was. I assume it (software or hardware) was not that bad, maybe it was not possible (probably not for these people).
But the engineer or whoever told Seb to go on for couple of minutes at least, before he begun to yell at them and they decided, that it was necessary to pit the car...
Could do better. Maybe it would be possible to fix the car quicker?

Generally I fail to comprehend why on earth Toyota company keeps the same people at TMG, especially the team managers obviously.
In every bussines such failing rate would be impossible, right ?

They changed someone in charge last year but it was also a guy which was in the team from the beginning.
I feel like they need to hire someone from outside to shake them. I am sure an good oustide manager would look around quickly and after a couple of hours(minutes?) would scream " Oh boy, you are doing this and that COMPLETELY wrong" I do not know, maybe someone would be very good at making coffe instead of doing something more important.
I know it is impossible to hire Audi or Porsche drivers or engineers but maybe someone like dr. Ullrich would be possible?
Most importanly it must be someone from outside with fresh look at things and surely any talented manager would do even without knowledge of motorsport.

But Toyota changes nothing.
They have no winners in the team afaik. Lapierre did not help last year... I also think that big part or most of these people do not even believe they can make it and there is not a very good mood and attitude in this team.

They prepare for the unexpected, which is good but probably there will be something really unexpected which will happen.
Are they even able to bring the car to the pits from the beginning of the lap?

Ok, maybe they can do it and repair the car quicker than last year but they will not have much time. There will be a bunch of privateers which will be only 2 or 3 laps down to take the lead. And there is not much problems which can be fixed in such a short time.

And all that when this year it could have been simple – I feel that regardless of all bringing 3 cars would do it this time. But – last year they failed with three. So guess what, it did not help so let us bring two! We are the only manufacturer so let’s try to make it cheaper and with 2 cars. No, no it is wrong. The whole point is that if you are Toyota then you must prepare 120 %. With two cars you are certainly not prepared. Take a look at Porsche. They withdrawed from LMP1 but brought 4 GT cars to Le Mans the very next year. Ford also has 4. They are giving it what it takes, they really want it apparently. But not Toyota.

So for me they do not deserve this win. There is good reason why they did not make it yet.
Only thing to their credit is that they keep trying. But how?

They do not need a course to lose this race, no. As I see it they will be very, very lucky when they do it.
I just hope that they bring these 3 cars next year and let some heads roll before maybe so they can finally make it.

i wish them all the luck nevertheless cause this is only thing that can help.
I hope that they will prove me wrong after my "hate" and because I said it it will be just allright.
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Old 16 Jun 2018, 19:45 (Ref:3830415)   #6300
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Reason why Toyota is still in LMP1 is less spending. There was no way in hell VW was going to last too long n LMP1 with huge spending for both Audi and Porsche. Their huge spending was mandated by expensive hybrid development as well as Toyota as competitor. They actually needed a lot more money to beat Toyota and Toyota has beaten them with a lesser budget.

Current LMP1 era is completely different than what we had back in Audi vs Peugeot diesel era. VW spending when Audi was the sole player like Toyota is today was hell a lot less. I wouldn't be surprised if total VW spending for both Audi and Porsche vs Toyota years was as big as all the Audi's gigs in '00s. That's my assumption.

Unfortunately LMP1H has progressed so fast and they became so fast that only few manufacturers in the world can actually afford that. New era will be different, for sure interesting but not as fast.
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