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Old 23 Mar 2017, 19:43 (Ref:3720964)   #1301
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Sebring was the first time I was interested in the Lites race while not at the track. I was genuinely interested to see the P3's and how they would mix it up with the Lites cars. Sebring provided me with enough interest that I will continue to follow this series for the rest of the season.
Wait, I thought you watched every minute moment of Mazda lites? You lived for it!

It was kinda odd seeing them mixed in with the new P3s. Can break later and get through the corners quicker, but I don't think that will last, once the talent and cars get more sorted.
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Old 23 Mar 2017, 20:20 (Ref:3720973)   #1302
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Wait, I thought you watched every minute moment of Mazda lites? You lived for it!
Nah, he was down for Lites II .... the sound of motorcycle engines setting his teeth on edge while the cars streaked past faster than pedestrians .....

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It was kinda odd seeing them mixed in with the new P3s. Can break later and get through the corners quicker, but I don't think that will last, once the talent and cars get more sorted.
Yup. Couple races and even the best Elan drivers will be left back.
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Old 23 Mar 2017, 21:24 (Ref:3720990)   #1303
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Nah, he was down for Lites II .... the sound of motorcycle engines setting his teeth on edge while the cars streaked past faster than pedestrians .....
Ha! Very first time I saw the 4 rotary in the ALMS, the comment was "how can something so loud be so slow?"
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Old 23 Mar 2017, 21:50 (Ref:3720994)   #1304
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I like CN cars and i do believe there is interest in them. If IMSA dosnt want them thats fine but i hope someone builts a pro series out of them.

If you combine p3 with GT4, you basically recreated Grand-Am. Which is fine because i like the old series. I didnt think it should have be a top series like ALMS but as a privateer oriented series it was fun.

Conti should just use scca t2 homebuilt cars for gs.
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Old 23 Mar 2017, 22:08 (Ref:3721000)   #1305
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That was my point. You(and Joeb) may be interested because of this, but the two of you alone don't exactly move the needle, you know? There'd need to be quite a lot of people like you to make an audience size difference, and that's going to matter when it comes to IMSA's bottom line eventually. Sportscar racing is super volatile, even in the feeder series.


Maybe so, but either way it's unfair to judge it on one race weekend into the season. Most spectators won't have known what P3 was before Sebring, so it needs a fair chance to show it's worth.

Remember this is also the first time outside of the road to Le Mans race last year that P3 has been the top dog, and also in sprint format
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Old 23 Mar 2017, 22:17 (Ref:3721003)   #1306
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I like CN cars and i do believe there is interest in them. If IMSA dosnt want them thats fine but i hope someone builts a pro series out of them.

If you combine p3 with GT4, you basically recreated Grand-Am. Which is fine because i like the old series. I didnt think it should have be a top series like ALMS but as a privateer oriented series it was fun.

Conti should just use scca t2 homebuilt cars for gs.
Currently CN, P3, DP, and now G57s race in the FARA series. They have two P classes. This year Hankook is getting behind them and supporting the two P classes and the top two GT classes. This year, maybe this next race, they go to a live video stream broadcast. Last year Sebring was added to the Homestead based series. This year Daytona. Next year Road Atlanta. The idea will be developing in NorthAmerica a Creventic/Hankook like series.

I am pretty enthused because all the races are four hours [last race of year is 12 hours] and they are very much fun events with lots of fans and atmosphere. There is plans to have a P3 series running in some of the events and independent at others. I know the idea is to have the CN cars as a part of that as well.
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Currently CN, P3, DP, and now G57s race in the FARA series. This year, maybe this next race, they go to a live video stream broadcast. Last year Sebring was added to the Homestead based series. This year Daytona. Next year Road Atlanta. The idea will be developing in NorthAmerica a Creventic/Hankook like series..
Well, until they get all that, and start promoting it, it is just nice dreams and friends of the teams.

i'd love to see more prototype racing in the U.S. but club series which no one hears about 'til later are the trees falling in the forest .... useful only if pulled out and burned.

Have the organizers of the series thought of renting I don't know ... HSR's email list? Doing Anything to get the word out?

Also, nowadays, if it ain't streaming it ain't happening ... I might see the season opener, but what, am I going to read race reports for the rest of the year and stay excited?

As opposed to, can I actually watch the races not in my geographical area?

I will travel a ways to see a top-tier series, but I am not taking time off work, paying for gas and hotels and food, and tickets, to watch two amateurs in P3s break down frequently amidst a field of under-performing B- and C-sports racers left over from the 2007 Runoffs.

On the other hand, if I have been watching the series online all year, I might be interested enough to take a road trip out-and-back to a race nearby ...

Look at Miata racing (MX-5.) The competition is always tight, the drivers always go for it ... but the spectacle could not be more underwhelming.

Unless I have a pretty strong interest in some of the drivers--say, having watched them all season and followed their successes and failures---then it is hard to care a whole lot about slow cars going slowly.

I hope the new series can take it up a notch---and of course, even if it can't, it is fine for its own purposes---but if it can get up to the next level where people can follow it and develop an attraction to it ... Like I said, I would love to see more prototype racing in the U.S.

And as to CN vs P3---who cares? If the cars look and sound good and move quickly, who cares which letters and numbers are attached?

Shoot, there is nothing wrong with LMPC cars either, so long as they aren't A.) in a spec series or B.) in a real series.

They are good-looking cars, loud and quick .... and add a lot to historic races.

So ... CN, P3, PC, whatever ... let 'em race, and let me see them race. Then we have something to talk about.
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Well, until they get all that, and start promoting it, it is just nice dreams and friends of the teams.

i'd love to see more prototype racing in the U.S. but club series which no one hears about 'til later are the trees falling in the forest .... useful only if pulled out and burned.

Have the organizers of the series thought of renting I don't know ... HSR's email list? Doing Anything to get the word out?

Also, nowadays, if it ain't streaming it ain't happening ... I might see the season opener, but what, am I going to read race reports for the rest of the year and stay excited?

As opposed to, can I actually watch the races not in my geographical area?

I will travel a ways to see a top-tier series, but I am not taking time off work, paying for gas and hotels and food, and tickets, to watch two amateurs in P3s break down frequently amidst a field of under-performing B- and C-sports racers left over from the 2007 Runoffs.

On the other hand, if I have been watching the series online all year, I might be interested enough to take a road trip out-and-back to a race nearby ...

Look at Miata racing (MX-5.) The competition is always tight, the drivers always go for it ... but the spectacle could not be more underwhelming.

Unless I have a pretty strong interest in some of the drivers--say, having watched them all season and followed their successes and failures---then it is hard to care a whole lot about slow cars going slowly.

I hope the new series can take it up a notch---and of course, even if it can't, it is fine for its own purposes---but if it can get up to the next level where people can follow it and develop an attraction to it ... Like I said, I would love to see more prototype racing in the U.S.

And as to CN vs P3---who cares? If the cars look and sound good and move quickly, who cares which letters and numbers are attached?

Shoot, there is nothing wrong with LMPC cars either, so long as they aren't A.) in a spec series or B.) in a real series.

They are good-looking cars, loud and quick .... and add a lot to historic races.

So ... CN, P3, PC, whatever ... let 'em race, and let me see them race. Then we have something to talk about.
I see there is a Monza LMP 3 wrap up on Dailysportscar. No mention of the Murphy Riley - where is it? Did it ever exist ?!
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Old 29 Mar 2017, 07:55 (Ref:3722365)   #1309
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I see there is a Monza LMP 3 wrap up on Dailysportscar. No mention of the Murphy Riley - where is it? Did it ever exist ?!


The Riley is active in the states

Murphys partnership is no longer active
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Old 29 Mar 2017, 20:31 (Ref:3722495)   #1310
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Some more LMP3 action for those interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8Ql78Vynck

And since it's up, I'll also leave this for anyone who might still be curious despite how annoying I've been about this class: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVePAuyZ9N4
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man, CN cars look so "club."

P3 at least looks like it could be in a professional championship.
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The only thing I recall from CN in the recent Asian le mans series were certain red flags from breakdowns. A collective sigh of relief through the pits when they didn't compete in sepang. Perhaps they succeed a little more elsewhere.
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The only thing I recall from CN in the recent Asian le mans series were certain red flags from breakdowns. A collective sigh of relief through the pits when they didn't compete in sepang. Perhaps they succeed a little more elsewhere.
They succeed a LOT elsewhere.
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They succeed a LOT elsewhere.
Hillclimb mostly.
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Hillclimb mostly.
Of course. That's what the class was originally designed for. (even though most examples you see in hillclimbs aren't actually CN cars by the set rules)

But they succeed in nearly every road racing championship they're introduced to as well.
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Of course. That's what the class was originally designed for. (even though most examples you see in hillclimbs aren't actually CN cars by the set rules)

But they succeed in nearly every club level road racing championship they're introduced to as well.
FTFY.
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FTFY.
VdeV's no top flight championship, but if it's club level then I'm Ross Brawn.

(and even if you were right, that still makes it an ideal class for the purpose in which I'd like to see it running)

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First P3 roll?
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Yep. Broken suspension.
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First real world test of P3 rollover safety passed. Good on the car design that it was something barely classifiable as a "roll" as well. Even better that driver walked away.
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