BTCC 2019 season discussion, News and Rumours! - Page 21

crmalcolm · 25 Sep 2018, 14:44 (Ref:3852633)

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Originally Posted by btccbloke

However I think the point crmalcolm is making is that he may have the sponsor but like messers Hill and Jackson he may find himself without a car.

Tho this is unlikely as I understand Pirtek pay a massive sponsorship in advance

Exactly that. It is unlikely, but not in the realms of impossible.

We have already seen drivers with a significant level of talent and backing without a drive in the BTCC, so why should it be any different for Jordan?

He has already moved his sponsorship to a few teams now, and if BMW ever look to run a pure factory only package (as DB has alluded to in the past), then WSR may not require the backing.

I think it is great that a driver can have such a long-term deal in place, but there are too many factors outside of Pirtek/AJ control to assume blindly that he is guaranteed to be in BTCC for another 3 years.

He's already driven Honda, MG, Ford and BMW under the Pirtek banner - if he finds himself out at WSR then aside from a return to a former marque, then PMR seems to be the only other option.

(Getting beaten by the team Rookie at Silverstone will not have helped his long-term WSR/BMW situation).

Alfisti · 25 Sep 2018, 16:28 (Ref:3852645)

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Originally Posted by btccbloke

Agree, the official statement is they are in partnership till the end of the 2021 BTCC season, why would you commit to the end of a racing series you are not in.

However I think the point crmalcolm is making is that he may have the sponsor but like messers Hill and Jackson he may find himself without a car.

Tho this is unlikely as I understand Pirtek pay a massive sponsorship in advance

They do, and AJ to the best of my knowledge hasn't broken any contracts, which is why Hill and likely Jackson were sidelined.

btccbloke · 25 Sep 2018, 16:48 (Ref:3852649)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

They do, and AJ to the best of my knowledge hasn't broken any contracts, which is why Hill and likely Jackson were sidelined.

Well I'm sure the 888Mg and Motorbase deals were 2 year deals, but there are still plausible reasons he may not be on the grid till 2021 guaranteed.

Alfisti · 25 Sep 2018, 17:17 (Ref:3852652)

They were all amicably ended, at least that's how the stories went.

I think the only certs with AJ are he's a good driver and he'll be in a blue car somewhere!

crmalcolm · 27 Sep 2018, 14:26 (Ref:3852970)

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Originally Posted by btccbloke

Is that definitely a rule? Only thing I am aware of is that they needed to be in production and available retail through dealers in the UK at point of homologation

AMD haven't spent time and money developing and enhancing a btcc car and getting an association with a brand that they need to put in the bin after 1 season

Have AmD become the 'manufacturer’s normal dealer network' for homologation purpose with the MG6?

http://www.btcc.net/2018/09/27/the-r...oad-going-mg6/

crmalcolm · 27 Sep 2018, 14:32 (Ref:3852972)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

They were all amicably ended, at least that's how the stories went.

I think the only certs with AJ are he's a good driver and he'll be in a blue car somewhere!

Definitely racing somewhere. The Motorbase partnership ended due to commercial reasons, so it is far from a stretch to imagine the same situation occurring elsewhere.

Turkington has said recently that the involvement of BMW has allowed him to become a full-time driver, and Collard is part of the BMW motorsport programme. Jordan seems to be the spare part at the moment, so the deciding factor could be the level of influence BMW place on the team...

btccbloke · 27 Sep 2018, 14:48 (Ref:3852975)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Definitely racing somewhere. The Motorbase partnership ended due to commercial reasons, so it is far from a stretch to imagine the same situation occurring elsewhere.

Turkington has said recently that the involvement of BMW has allowed him to become a full-time driver, and Collard is part of the BMW motorsport programme. Jordan seems to be the spare part at the moment, so the deciding factor could be the level of influence BMW place on the team...

I am pretty sure the AJ/Pirtek/WSR deal was inked before BMW confirmed their involvement so yes there may now be commercial pressures.
He has also underperformed a little for me, he hasnt really been "on it" probably since early 2014

Evantra · 27 Sep 2018, 20:55 (Ref:3853042)

More positive news regarding Jake Hill for next year -

https://twitter.com/simonmhill/statu...151202305?s=21

With all due respect I hope he'll end up a bit further grid than AmD.

btccbloke · 27 Sep 2018, 21:04 (Ref:3853044)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

More positive news regarding Jake Hill for next year -

https://twitter.com/simonmhill/statu...151202305?s=21

With all due respect I hope he'll end up a bit further grid than AmD.

I'd respect him a lot more if he just showed a bit of personality himself and didn't have Daddy shouting his mouth as his social media voice,

Alfisti · 27 Sep 2018, 21:10 (Ref:3853045)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

More positive news regarding Jake Hill for next year -

https://twitter.com/simonmhill/statu...151202305?s=21

With all due respect I hope he'll end up a bit further grid than AmD.

AmD might be a chunk further forward next year if the new metal (to them) rumours have legs...

Evantra · 27 Sep 2018, 21:22 (Ref:3853048)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

AmD might be a chunk further forward next year if the new metal (to them) rumours have legs...

Hope you're right!

btccbloke · 28 Sep 2018, 05:37 (Ref:3853065)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

AmD might be a chunk further forward next year if the new metal (to them) rumours have legs...

Surely not some more vehicles from the BMR shed...
I thought the rumor was they would run those god awful looking MG SUVs

Alfisti · 28 Sep 2018, 06:46 (Ref:3853069)

I think Kim Jong Un moving to Britain, forming a political party and sweeping to power in a general election landslide is more plausible than the MG SUV. I am however wrong more often than not!

S griffin · 28 Sep 2018, 08:09 (Ref:3853077)

I am sure we'll see Jake Hill back with AMD next season

crmalcolm · 29 Sep 2018, 15:14 (Ref:3853271)

Plato has been selling his talents for car development, but one thing confuses me. "I turned the MG, something that was not very good, into the finest NGTC on the grid" - wasn't he the first to drive it? So at what point prior to his involvement was it not very good?

The article also suggests he hasn't signed for a drive yet.
https://www.autosport.com/btcc/news/...n-unbelievable

Evantra · 29 Sep 2018, 15:20 (Ref:3853272)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Plato has been selling his talents for car development, but one thing confuses me. "I turned the MG, something that was not very good, into the finest NGTC on the grid" - wasn't he the first to drive it? So at what point prior to his involvement was it not very good?

Think that's just Plato being Plato! Never won a championship so I wouldn't say it was the finest NGTC on the grid either!

crmalcolm · 29 Sep 2018, 15:23 (Ref:3853273)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

Think that's just Plato being Plato! Never won a championship so I wouldn't say it was the finest NGTC on the grid either!

Well if it was the finest car, that suggests his talents as a driver are the reason it didn't win a championship!

(Same goes for the Seat he says he turned into the best on the grid)

btccbloke · 29 Sep 2018, 15:41 (Ref:3853275)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Well if it was the finest car, that suggests his talents as a driver are the reason it didn't win a championship!

(Same goes for the Seat he says he turned into the best on the grid)

With respect I think That chassis has won more races than any other NGTC spec car so not completely incorrect

redshoes · 29 Sep 2018, 15:58 (Ref:3853277)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Plato has been selling his talents for car development, but one thing confuses me. "I turned the MG, something that was not very good, into the finest NGTC on the grid" - wasn't he the first to drive it? So at what point prior to his involvement was it not very good?

I think he was comparing the car he drove with the one his Andy Neate drove.

Jon411 · 29 Sep 2018, 16:04 (Ref:3853278)

Don't know if anyone picked up on it as it was mentioned in the middle of qualifying coverage but David Addison said rumours were suggesting Andy Jordan will be with a different team next year.

Alfisti · 29 Sep 2018, 17:45 (Ref:3853292)

He got bored of the MG quick enough, Snetterton in his third season he was saying harsh things about it. Wrongly so as it has endured for many years and been decent apart from the BMR shambles of a season.

Tone of article is definitely a sniffing around I'm good me I am. Not a I have a seat I do. Maybe he ought to get his sack of sponsorship cash over to #HARD. He and Colin were both in contention for the championship in 2015 in those CCs, and Mike Bushell has shown there is still potential in that car. A little bit of development work, a decent budget to run it and in the right hands I reckon it will win again...

And TG will, I would think, be one of a limited number of team bosses who would welcome with open arms. Feasible or the thoughts of a diseased mind?

Evantra · 29 Sep 2018, 18:01 (Ref:3853296)

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Originally Posted by Jon411

Don't know if anyone picked up on it as it was mentioned in the middle of qualifying coverage but David Addison said rumours were suggesting Andy Jordan will be with a different team next year.

Yep, heard that and it seems to fit in with what's been said on here...

Also, it sounds like Eurotech are losing their ICD sponsorship so hopefully they can get something worked out for '19.

Another interesting snippet I picked up was that Rob Collard was actually passed fit to race (I think..!) this weekend, but they gave Ricky the drive.

850Estate · 29 Sep 2018, 18:46 (Ref:3853301)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

Yep, heard that and it seems to fit in with what's been said on here...

Also, it sounds like Eurotech are losing their ICD sponsorship so hopefully they can get something worked out for '19.

Another interesting snippet I picked up was that Rob Collard was actually passed fit to race (I think..!) this weekend, but they gave Ricky the drive.

Is Jeff Smith not heavily involved at ICD?

Evantra · 29 Sep 2018, 18:59 (Ref:3853304)

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Originally Posted by 850Estate

Is Jeff Smith not heavily involved at ICD?

I thought he was, but that's what he said on FB live tonight regarding Eurotech's 2019 plans.

touring fan01 · 29 Sep 2018, 19:07 (Ref:3853305)

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Originally Posted by 850Estate

Is Jeff Smith not heavily involved at ICD?

jeff smith is the founder and majority shareholder in ICD

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