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Old 21 Nov 2021, 01:19 (Ref:4084667)   #151
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Read it a fourth time it might not make sense again
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Old 21 Nov 2021, 01:19 (Ref:4084668)   #152
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An outcome is different to being found guilty of said offences...or not. My original post was about AsccracingUk's assumption of guilt not an eventual outcome if found guilty.

To me, it will be a surprise if Verstappen receives a penalty but Sainz and Bottas don't (or vice versa). If Verstappen receives a harsher penalty I will not be surprised at all.

I'm afraid I didn't quite understand your post first of all. After re-reading it about 3 times now I do.
My assumption is an opinion based on video evidence and the rules along with over 10 years experience as a flag marshal at national and international motorsport events including Indycar, Le Mans and Formula 1.

Now there’s always the chance that my assumption could be wrong, however if the rules are followed to the letter, I am not wrong.

Your point of view and opinion comes from twisting or misinterpreting drivers interviews, fabricating a green flag which didn’t exist, along with a yellow light on the dash that isn’t relevant per the rules.

As you say though, we will see tomorrow, but I will be surprised and disappointed if the FIA don’t act, especially after harping on about setting an example post race in Brazil.

I’m out. Time for bed.
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Old 21 Nov 2021, 01:21 (Ref:4084671)   #153
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Adam, I wouldn’t bother….I’ve tried reasoning with him for the last 3 hours, presenting fact but all Beau does it assume things or doesn’t grasp the rules. Best go to bed!
Ok dude. I'll sure look forward to your inevitable rant if no penalties are given. This debate is enough for me now but you set your stall here by making a false equivalence between the results of the Brazil investigations and these completely separate allegations to claim that the FIA are biased.

I will, as always wait on the final verdict before assuming guilt, or what outcome will be granted to each individual driver.
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Old 21 Nov 2021, 01:25 (Ref:4084672)   #154
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Ok dude. I'll sure look forward to your inevitable rant if no penalties are given. This debate is enough for me now but you set your stall here by making a false equivalence between the results of the Brazil investigations and these completely separate allegations to claim that the FIA are biased.

I will, as always wait on the final verdict before assuming guilt, or what outcome will be granted to each individual driver.
I’ve not made a false equivalence anywhere, nor have I claimed the fia are biased or compared this situation to Brazil. You really do need to learn to read properly. Maybe then you won’t misinterpret what people are saying, whether they are forum member or f1 drivers

Rant? Nope…as long as the FIA give clear, concise, open reasoning for it, then I will be content to take their word for it.

I think you need to read my posts 3 or 4 times, like Adam’s above until they make sense you do seem to get confused easily

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Old 21 Nov 2021, 01:31 (Ref:4084673)   #155
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I’ve not made a false equivalence anywhere, nor have I claimed the fia are biased or compared this situation to Brazil. You really do need to learn to read properly. Maybe then you won’t misinterpret what people are saying, whether they are forum member or f1 drivers

Rant? Nope…as long as the FIA give clear, concise, open reasoning for it, then I will be content to take their word for it.
Post #45 suggests otherwise. You clearly made a false equivalence between various unrelated investigations. But ok, carry on with your passive aggressive and sarcastic posting.

Have a good night and lets try and enjoy the race tomorrow regardless of the outcome of these investigations.
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Old 21 Nov 2021, 01:36 (Ref:4084674)   #156
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Post #45 suggests otherwise. But ok, carry on with your passive aggressive and sarcastic posting.

Have a good night and lets try and enjoy the race tomorrow regardless of the outcome of these investigations.
And I quote:

“I think after winggate and Brazil, if max isn’t penalised for this (along with any other drivers who infringed) the FIA would look plain embarrassing”

Nowhere have I created a false equivalency, compared this incident to Brazil or called the FIA biased.

Again there you go again ‘suggests’. That’s your own misinterpretation and assumption.

Again, I’ve stated before I’m not being sarcastic or passive aggressive….again that’s your own assumption.
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Old 21 Nov 2021, 01:36 (Ref:4084675)   #157
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I think you need to read my posts 3 or 4 times, like Adam’s above until they make sense you do seem to get confused easily
I would rather not... thanks.

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Old 21 Nov 2021, 08:12 (Ref:4084710)   #158
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One was double yellows, two were single. That is a difference. Hence it could be different outcome.

And not surprising. Unless you are easily surprised.
Agreed.
Previous penalty for single yellow - 3 grid place.
Previous penalty for double yellow - 5 grid place.
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Old 21 Nov 2021, 08:40 (Ref:4084711)   #159
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I don’t think there’s anything wrong with passion.
I totally agree, it is the use of the possessive intimating they are activally involved in the team that bugs me. Things like "we are a bit slow in practise but we will be faster in the race" Hallo, when did you become a team member and not a fan??? Don't try and argue that being a fan makes you part of the team, that is just fantasy land stuff. Become a true fan of F1 overall, follow a team and enjoy the racing. I will now get off my soapbox.

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Old 21 Nov 2021, 08:49 (Ref:4084712)   #160
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I totally agree, it is the use of the possessive intimating they are activally involved in the team that bugs me. Things like "we are a bit slow in practise but we will be faster in the race" Hallo, when did you become a team member and not a fan??? Don't try and argue that being a fan makes you part of the team, that is just fantasy land stuff. Become a true fan of F1 overall, follow a team and enjoy the racing. I will now get off my soapbox.

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I think thankfully for the most part, most of those on 10tenths are pretty restrained for the modern era….if we can get rid of the ‘whattaboutery’ and alternate realities we would be ok….just don’t head to PistonHeads or Twitter….
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Old 21 Nov 2021, 08:58 (Ref:4084714)   #161
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Hamilton takes the pole. His position is going to look even better if Max gets a penalty for the yellow flag infringement. And what's more, he's got Bottas to back him up, while Checo isn't even in the top ten to help Max

Good to see both Alpha Tauris up there, Gasly 4th and Tsunoda 8th. Bit odd what happened at the end there to Pierre, just missed the pit entry, then proceeded to park on the track

Good to see Alonso up there too
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Old 21 Nov 2021, 09:01 (Ref:4084716)   #162
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Well it looks like Bottas might get a penalty too if Max does, so he might not be there to back him up quite so much.
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Well it looks like Bottas might get a penalty too if Max does, so he might not be there to back him up quite so much.
But - Bottas was a single yellow, so normally a lesser penalty.
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Old 21 Nov 2021, 12:13 (Ref:4084741)   #165
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Less than two hours to go to race time, and over two hours since Max was due before the stewards, and no news?



Cutting it fine......
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