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14 Mar 2019, 06:29 (Ref:3890323) | #26 | ||
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to be honest mate, the days of Holden V Ford died years ago. if the racing is good I dont really give a hoot who wins. Dont get mr wrong Im red through and through but who wants to watch the same team win week in week out as HRT or 888 did or even DJR more recently.
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You’re making the incorrect assumption that their aero last year was worse than the Commodore. At most of the high aero circuits Ford were as strong if not stronger.
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Don't forget apart from the whining about composite panels you also had direct accusations from Ford teams about illegal boot lids and lots of other stuff that made the ZB unbeatable, all of which turned out to be rubbish.
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Obviously cheating.
Supercars themselves extensively parity tested the Mustang, subsequently giving it (in their expert engineering opinion) the ok to race. If it's passed Supercars rigorous runway evaluation (a gold standard in aerodynamic testing), then you know something foul MUST be afoot!!! |
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14 Mar 2019, 08:13 (Ref:3890344) | #31 | |
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So besides sticking a microphone in Mr Dane and Mr Story's face every 5 minutes for comment on the matter. What would be the process now?
One thing for Holden teams (Nissan too) and their fans to scream parity, but I'd imagine they'd have to pinpoint the actual cause to Supercars to trigger a review? How to Supercars test this, if it wasn't picked up during 'extensive' runway testing. How to they make the adjustments. Clip the Mustang wings, or give the Altima and ZB an 'upgrade'? All sounds messy, time consuming and expensive..... Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk |
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What is striking is that without even new chassis, 5 of those cars have been turned from relative trucks, with drivers who were viewed as also-rans, to being contenders. But one track, twin spring change, lets see if the coming events bring the Super Stangs back to the field. |
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14 Mar 2019, 08:36 (Ref:3890349) | #34 | |
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Obviously solution at this point would be to tell Ford, etc to go back to the drawing board on the front end.
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There's no doubt that Penske are smart enough to have done the work to do such a thing, but if they did, and by doing so obeyed the rule but ignored the spirit or intended interpretation of the rule, how could it be dealt with? Penske as an organisation has form for being ruthlessly competitive to the point of bending rules. Their NASCAR team was belted in 2013 and again in 2017 (after winning 1/3 of the races) for serious infractions, and Roger himself loves to say "we were not cheating, we were working in a grey area of the rules". NASCAR is a whole lot more stringent on policing rules than Supercars. |
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14 Mar 2019, 08:56 (Ref:3890353) | #36 | |
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An even bigger "rule bender" was the former owner of HRT.
Interesting to see Holden fans discussing parity, yet Holden haven't lost the upcoming races just yet. Very proactive indeed. |
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I hope not. That would be assuming all teams, drivers, engines and equipment underneath the bodies are of equal quality. Add to that, it could be skewed by the different quantities of makes. 14, 6 & 4. GRM, Tekno and the Kelly Krate would skew the results too much. I agree more track time is needed. I don't believe 888 have bought their linear spring A game yet. In the meantime, enjoy the social media blow ups! Who said Ford v Holden rivalry is dead. Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk |
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The front shot of the Race2 grid told a story. The bonnet line of the ford is so much lower than the ZB, like night and day. looked like a car from another category had come out for the wrong race. The aero that Supercar's have allowed the ford is a BIG step away from the previous cars in the category. check out the rear wing extension off the boot, or is that a secondary wing? looks like a wing! If 888 and presented a car as modified as this ford Ryan Story would have been on BGT or the Voice. I've not mentioned the ballast weight the fords can moved round their cars in low slung components. Maybe another time must fly.
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I recall people made the same comment about the Nissan wing, and the ZB. I think this is a product of smaller cars having to fit the same hard points in the design. |
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14 Mar 2019, 09:33 (Ref:3890368) | #42 | |
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The VF and ZB had and have an extension off the boot to place the wing in the right spot for the rules, its flat. the Mustang's is not flat and has a turn up.
Funny little chat after Race1 with Story right in Scott's face after the race, before anyone could interview Scott. Any lip readers in tonight. And it wasn't the BS Scotty said it was. It was a debrief off radio, don't make any comments about the car being really fast or a jet. As he'd just driven away from everyone. |
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14 Mar 2019, 09:54 (Ref:3890376) | #43 | |
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If I recall correctly, there is a predetermined size of bootlid area that the teams can work with. Which means they can extend an existing bootlid to meet that figure.
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4 Mustangs lead the next car by .7, Chaz nowhere because he overcooked it. Ouch
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you do realise this is augmented by the view of the mustang being from a higher point than the other 2?
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Not sure if serious or trolling...
It clearly was not missed, that is exactly the configuration the Supercars Mustang was first presented in and it was exactly the configuration in which the Mustang complied with the required drag and downforce at 200 kmph on the air-field test. There is absolutely no parity issue whatsoever. To suggest otherwise is utterly absurd. |
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14 Mar 2019, 11:29 (Ref:3890404) | #48 | ||
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The rules ONLY require the cars to match in downforce and drag at 200 kmhr. The downforce and drag at all other speeds, and in yaw, is free to be optimised. Ford Performance have done that, and that is entirely within the rules. That's within the rules. Downforce and drag only has to match at 200kmhr, which the Mustang does match to the others at. |
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Ford Performance are free to optimise the drag (and downforce) at all other speeds, they have done so, and that is entirely legitimate within the rules. |
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The parity was already sorted when the cars were presented at the airfield test, tested, adjusted as required, finalised and confirmed as all matching each other. |
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