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Old 22 Nov 2016, 19:00 (Ref:3690322)   #781
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Its a new car, give them some time. Competativeness can come later during the season.
Yes i am sure that will be the case but madly hoping they will go as fast as they look however i am sure that will also depend on driver lineup
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Old 22 Nov 2016, 19:03 (Ref:3690324)   #782
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Old 22 Nov 2016, 19:09 (Ref:3690326)   #783
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Well Dave Newsham will be one of the drivers of that I'm sure - the only thing in my mind that would stop this happening is financial backing. I do hope Dave does make a return, very nice bloke and a pretty good peddler.

Switching subject to the BKR gear up for sale - I'm adding 2+2 and coming up with no more BKR. This is exactly what RAR did this time last year - flog stuff!

On the other hand maybe BMR will reduce to less than 4 cars and surplus cars and equipment head to BKR?

I still think Turkington is not returning. Call it a gut feeling from a Speculating old git if you like!
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Old 22 Nov 2016, 19:37 (Ref:3690334)   #784
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Or BKR could run BMR's privateer effort?
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Old 22 Nov 2016, 20:13 (Ref:3690338)   #785
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So now PMR have announced the Vauxhall deal, how long before we hear where the Cruzes have gone? Tomorrow BTC Racing have something to tell us................................
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Old 22 Nov 2016, 20:17 (Ref:3690339)   #786
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So now PMR have announced the Vauxhall deal, how long before we hear where the Cruzes have gone? Tomorrow BTC Racing have something to tell us................................
Would love to see Chris Stockton back in one of them, i won't hold my breath though.
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Old 22 Nov 2016, 20:22 (Ref:3690340)   #787
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So now PMR have announced the Vauxhall deal, how long before we hear where the Cruzes have gone? Tomorrow BTC Racing have something to tell us................................

Hopefully, it'll be Smileys all round..
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Old 22 Nov 2016, 20:32 (Ref:3690342)   #788
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Hopefully, it'll be Smileys all round..


Well said 😉
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Old 22 Nov 2016, 22:44 (Ref:3690369)   #789
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Would rather expect an openly factory team to chose drivers on merit rather than money but we shall see, Turkington perhaps?

That would show real intent to win
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Old 23 Nov 2016, 06:05 (Ref:3690425)   #790
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The Dynamics cars only had Honda on the back this year.
Only the Subaru and MG had manufacturer names/logos on
Honda had a bit more that that! Yes the word 'HONDA' only appeared on the back, but they had the same big red Honda badges on the roof and 'Type R' branding on the sun strip exactly the same as they ran as a 'full' works team. Only difference was the change from Honda to Halfords in the 'sponsor' positions on the bonnet and doors (most people forget that Honda were the main sponsors alongside Yuasa).

The complete lack of Vauxhall logos/branding suggests they only got two free shells and an entry fee for the price of a fleet of Vivaros and Combos!

Heck, even Thorney ran Vauxhall badges and sun strips on the Insignia and they had no backing at all!

When the rumours of PMR bringing Vauxhall to the grid first emerged I was sceptical as their livery has always been too reliant on their own products. I could never see how a 'Manufacturer' could fit into it and not clash unless they stumped up a lot of cash to become main sponsor (then why would a manufacturer choose PMR over more established teams, I'm sure if they wanted to be in the BTCC so badly they could raise enough money to oust MG and get back into bed with 888?!)
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Old 23 Nov 2016, 06:28 (Ref:3690427)   #791
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I thought Aron Smith had a two year deal with BKR?
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Old 23 Nov 2016, 06:41 (Ref:3690430)   #792
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I thought Aron Smith had a two year deal with BKR?
I thought he did too, he certainly seemed very happy there!

No surprise to see Ollie Jackson staying at AmD, confirmed they are looking at running a 2nd car if possible.
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Old 23 Nov 2016, 06:49 (Ref:3690433)   #793
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Just a couple of things to remember here; when BMR first announced Subaru, the original mock up had little or no Subaru branding.

Regarding getting back with 888 - as you say, MG is the main issue there, but also the fact that they work alongside BMR means you're unlikely to get a competitive advantage over the Subaru team. I still cannot understand why Subaru and MG seem to be happy with their race teams working together. As a manufacturer, I'd want to be as secretive as possible.

I would like to see the manufacturer / constructor championship re-named to just a manufacturer title, and ditch BMW, as WSR have claimed before that they are not a works team. Having said that, none of the 'works' teams are heavily funded anymore, so whether you can call any of them proper works teams anymore is debatable.

That said, it's great to see Vauxhall back, and new cars on the grid. The road going Astra is light, so should be easy to get to base-weight. Lets hope they get to very good drivers, otherwise the powerhouse that once was Vauxhall will get walked over by the likes of Honda and Subaru (and more!). Something like Goff and Onslow-Cole might be a good pairing, without having to fork out lots of for the likes of Menu / Gio.
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Old 23 Nov 2016, 07:19 (Ref:3690435)   #794
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Just a couple of things to remember here; when BMR first announced Subaru, the original mock up had little or no Subaru branding.
Just to clarify, below are some images that accompanied news stories of 'manufacturer' entries...
















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Old 23 Nov 2016, 07:22 (Ref:3690437)   #795
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Just to clarify, below are some images that accompanied news stories of 'manufacturer' entries...
















Absolutely what I was thinking. I imagine there will be a lot of PMR branding, as that's what they want to advertise, but I bet 'Vauxhall' and 'Astra' will be on there somewhere, as well as a logo or two!
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