A Friend Remembered A Tribute to Mike Bell 2021 Calendar

sceptic · 17 Aug 2018, 19:56 (Ref:3844323)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

2 paddocks in use for ELMS and WEC. Reducing the race from 6 to 4 doesn't really change much in that regard.

It helps ease the timetable congestion at Silverstone.
This weekend is very tight: it only took one red flag this morning to eliminate the lunch break. Saturday and Sunday don't even have a lunch break (although Sunday does have a church break).

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

And another Petit-Fuji clash + Sao Paolo is same weekend as Bathurst 12H.

Brilliant job by the WEC - as always!

We don't know that, as the Bathurst date hasn't been announced for 2020 yet.
It is traditionally the first weekend of February, which would be the weekend of the 7th and 8th.

EffectiveSprinkles · 17 Aug 2018, 20:00 (Ref:3844326)

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You clearly know nothing about the Bathurst 12 hour and have no idea what you're talking about.

I do. It's an event that thinks it's far more important than it actually is. Besides that, there isn't even a date for it yet. If they wanted to reserve that weekend they should have done so.

Akrapovic · 17 Aug 2018, 20:02 (Ref:3844327)

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Originally Posted by sceptic

It helps ease the timetable congestion at Silverstone.
This weekend is very tight: it only took one red flag this morning to eliminate the lunch break. Saturday and Sunday don't even have a lunch break (although Sunday does have a church break).

Perhaps I am missing something, but I don't see this solving timetable congestion. Assuming ELMS retains the 4 hour event and the Saturday slot, then Saturday timetable will be identical.

Sunday would indeed cut 2 hours off the race, but looking at the timetable, there is only two races. Sunday actually starts an hour later, and the first track action isn't until 10am. If they had too much congestion then they really should consider moving the Formula 3 race an hour earlier, or dropping it completely from the Silverstone weekend as ELMS is already the support event. The Le Mans Cup event doesn't attend due to timetable constraints and tbh, I doubt anyone would miss F3.

Articus · 17 Aug 2018, 20:06 (Ref:3844328)

the fan surveys were probably hacked by Russian bots..

Akrapovic · 17 Aug 2018, 20:06 (Ref:3844329)

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Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

I do. It's an event that thinks it's far more important than it actually is. Besides that, there isn't even a date for it yet. If they wanted to reserve that weekend they should have done so.

Clearly, all those manufacturers announcing factory cars must think it's far more important it actually is too.

Also, there is a date for it. It was announced in March.

https://www.bathurst12hour.com.au/ne...ed-2019-b12hr/
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2018/0...-date-set.html

EffectiveSprinkles · 17 Aug 2018, 20:09 (Ref:3844331)

That's for 2019.

Akrapovic · 17 Aug 2018, 20:09 (Ref:3844333)

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Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

That's for 2019.

You're quite correct *slaps forehead*

EffectiveSprinkles · 17 Aug 2018, 20:14 (Ref:3844334)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Perhaps I am missing something, but I don't see this solving timetable congestion. Assuming ELMS retains the 4 hour event and the Saturday slot, then Saturday timetable will be identical.

Sunday would indeed cut 2 hours off the race, but looking at the timetable, there is only two races. Sunday actually starts an hour later, and the first track action isn't until 10am. If they had too much congestion then they really should consider moving the Formula 3 race an hour earlier, or dropping it completely from the Silverstone weekend as ELMS is already the support event. The Le Mans Cup event doesn't attend due to timetable constraints and tbh, I doubt anyone would miss F3.

I agree, F3 is not needed on the Sunday. Silverstone should stay 6 hours, it's usually a great race.

EffectiveSprinkles · 17 Aug 2018, 20:15 (Ref:3844335)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

You're quite correct *slaps forehead*

The winter calendar for WEC certainly takes some getting used to. But it also means it's still over 18 months before the event, plenty of time to iron out any issues. This is more a statement of intent by WEC than anything else. I still maintain having a race at Interlagos is far more important than not clashing with Bathurst.

**Adam43** · 17 Aug 2018, 20:19 (Ref:3844337)

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Originally Posted by sceptic

It helps ease the timetable congestion at Silverstone.
This weekend is very tight: it only took one red flag this morning to eliminate the lunch break. Saturday and Sunday don't even have a lunch break (although Sunday does have a church break).

From a weekend timetable point of view Silverstone lends itself to a shorter race. Silverstone easily puts on more support and has, as pointed out, the ELMS race too. Whereas with Bahrain the main feature is well the feature!

Not what I would have chosen, but if the marshals get a bit of rest-bite fair enough.

Warning, what follows is a rant and does not necessarily represent the opinions of Ten-Tenths.
(To be honest, it probably doesn't even represent the opinions of the poster when they aren't ranting.)

You have to factor in a slice of realism before we go down the woe is me everything is bad avenue. Quite frankly I’d just not bother if I was running this series, it seems you can’t please anyone. Pragmatism is required in all areas of life.

Except you can please some people. There will be thousands (maybe not 55,000

) at Silverstone and we'll enjoy it. Shame most don’t post here. Perhaps they aren’t real fans.

The fans didn’t chose the race lengths by circuit they just said they wanted variety. That’s what we got. Good.

We’re not going to get Bathurst, Watkins Glen, Nordschleife, Donington, Suzuka or Reims. So why cry when we don’t? It strikes me it is bizarre to follow a sport (or anything) when it continually doesn’t give you what you want and that is all that interests you.

We now return you to our normal ramblings.

Woo, Silverstone.

fieldodreams79 · 17 Aug 2018, 21:17 (Ref:3844356)

I would say I'm bored of life, but I'm caring for my parents suddenly. However, that's not what will keep me from watching this series.

I'll watch as much as I have in the past.

seanyb505 · 18 Aug 2018, 01:00 (Ref:3844378)

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Originally Posted by Articus

the fan surveys were probably hacked by Russian bots..

Bahrain bots.

One perspective - the reduced lengths are probably a nod to reducing budgets of teams (thought having any event is way more expensive than the per hour cost of the race). And the Bahrain payment to ACO may be paying for other aspects of the series that Silverstone itself wouldn't want to burden themselves with. Bahrain may seem pointless as a race. But who knows what's being enabled in during the season because of their desire to pay the ACO.

sceptic · 18 Aug 2018, 15:41 (Ref:3844465)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Perhaps I am missing something, but I don't see this solving timetable congestion. Assuming ELMS retains the 4 hour event and the Saturday slot, then Saturday timetable will be identical.

It means you can move a support race from Saturday, which is really congested, to Sunday, and get another support series in too.

For example:

10:00 - 10:40 Support Series A race 1
10:40 - 11:15 Church break
11:15 - 12:15 Support Series B race 1
12:15 - 13:00 Support Series A race 2
13:30 - 17:30 WEC race

and use the time you have saved on Saturday for qualifying for Support Series B.

Akrapovic · 18 Aug 2018, 15:47 (Ref:3844466)

I see what you're getting at there, fair enough. Although I don't see the upside to that. I can't imagine any WEC fan has ever went to Silverstone and said they wanted less WEC and more Formula 3. I'd even go as far as dropping the F3 event completely and using Le Mans Cup - even if that has to be a shorter race.

TF110 · 18 Aug 2018, 17:23 (Ref:3844480)

Does Silverstone have any noise restrictions for the surrounding area? Do they have flood lights at the track? I can't recall seeing a race there that went into darkness. At Bahrain there is lighting and it runs at night so there's no issue there for 8 hours. As for the noise, I'm pretty sure the Bahrainian government puts on the show and noise complaints probably work a little differently in that area