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Old 15 May 2002, 21:23 (Ref:287554)   #1
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could we be seeing privateer's running customer cars from top teams in the future?

According to www.itv-f1.com smaller non factory backed teams could buy Chassis from another team in an attempt to cut costs! sounds alright to me on the face of it, A Minardi or Arrows beating a Mclaren! albeit in a Ferrari or Renault chassis.
here's the story http://www.itv-f1.com/news/news_story/10687

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Old 15 May 2002, 23:09 (Ref:287617)   #2
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I can't help but think that the Formula 1 grid needs another Rob Walker. A good idea in principle. I only hope any privateer has the colossal backing and the sympathy of the engine suppliers that they will need.
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Old 16 May 2002, 00:20 (Ref:287653)   #3
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I'm all for the idea of private teams buying last year's cars from the top teams! It'd dramatically reduce costs, tighten up the grid, and improve the racing in every way! The FIA has to make sure, though, that there are no strings attached, ie the occaisonal Ferarri team orders stretching to Sauber.
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Old 16 May 2002, 00:41 (Ref:287665)   #4
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I think that this would have to go well beyond the chassis, which is the least expensive part of the F1 car these days. You could have bought last years Prost for a couple of thousand quid. The running gear is what is expensive - the engine, gearbox, diff, engine management system, rear suspension, and so on. I think someone is just tired of writing the usual F1 articles and wanted to make a splash.
What would make a helluva lot more sense is if the manufacturers loaned engines to another team free of costs, and helped with the development and fine tuning of the running gear. Let the team make their own chassis.

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Old 16 May 2002, 01:01 (Ref:287672)   #5
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What made F1 so inexpensive in the 'old days' was the fact nearly everyone had the Ford DFV engine.

Ever since Renault turned up in 1977 with their turbo engine, Formula One costs have steadily risen. I blame Renault!
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Old 16 May 2002, 01:12 (Ref:287675)   #6
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I think that with the introduction of computer aids to F1 cars, the development and fine tuning costs of such aids together with the mechanical components that are involved have become astronomical. All the different aids are related, and it all has to be integrated properly to reduce those precious milliseconds per gear change, per corner, per straight. I think Ferrari's dominance at present comes from a very small two clutch gear box integrated with the engine and diff to produce continuous drive during gear changes. I wish I knew more about it, but a couple of technical guys who used to come here like Dino have disappeared. He'd be the one to ask. But we are talking not only about the cost of the lab development but also the zillions of miles (sorry kilometres) of testing required to integrate the whole system.
What's my point? Well, I think the day of the successful privateer is long gone, just a pipedream nowadays.

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Old 16 May 2002, 02:16 (Ref:287707)   #7
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The days of Minardi and Jordan are coming to an end I'm afraid unless something is done to dramatically cut costs. It is spiralling out of control and it's quite ridiculous how much it costs.
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Old 16 May 2002, 03:18 (Ref:287725)   #8
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Sorry, but the rules currently state that to be eligable to enter, you must build your own chassis. That rule has been around for a long time, and I don't see the FIA changing it any time soon.
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Old 16 May 2002, 03:38 (Ref:287726)   #9
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I have not read the article by itv-f1 yet but that be illegal so they would have to change the rules to allow you to race cars that your team have not constructed.

I personally do not like the idea, I can watch Indycar if I want to the the same chassis running in differant colours.
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Old 16 May 2002, 07:56 (Ref:287775)   #10
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I think the idea of running year ex factory F1 teams us a good one. It would massively reduce costs and importantly present the teams with a 'known' quantity to work with.

Sauber have proved to be pretty quick this year so far, can you imagine how much closer they would be to Ferrari, if they were in last years complete Ferrari.

Teams like Jordan cannot afford the highly rated designers and subsequently struggle to produce top rate cars. They also don't have the resources/skills to develop them sufficiently, which is why their pace of progress is slow.

In principle the idea is great, making it workable and getting the factory teams to part with cars is another issue.
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Old 16 May 2002, 08:47 (Ref:287797)   #11
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Just think for a second, would it be good for motorsport development?
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Old 16 May 2002, 10:47 (Ref:287871)   #12
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The whole thing goes in cycle's, the only reason it is so expensive at the moment is because there are alot of manufacturers involved. Overtime some manufacturers will lose interest and it will fall back on some companies to provide more than one team, which will help out a bit.

I am not in favour of Minardi or Arrows etc.. buying cars, if you are able to compete in F1, you should be capable of building ur own car.
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Old 16 May 2002, 10:58 (Ref:287886)   #13
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If manufacturers buy a stake in F1, would they want to leave?

I can see some of them staying around for a long time to come now.
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I am not in favour of Minardi or Arrows etc.. buying cars, if you are able to compete in F1, you should be capable of building ur own car.
Limiting participation in F1 to teams building their own car is a pretty recent innovation though- for most of the hisotry of F1, there have been 'privateer' outfits running either ex-factory team cars or customer chassis- Does anyone actually remember when the change happened?- it was late 70's at the earliest.

If you go back to the 50's and 60's, Maserati, Lotus, Cooper etc used to build cars specifically to supply to customer teams, as well as running works cars.

Given the choice between falling grid sizes and teams running year-old McLarens or whatever, I'd favour the latter every time
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Old 16 May 2002, 11:27 (Ref:287907)   #15
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Brett Lunger drove a private McLaren in 1977 if I remember correctly.
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