GTD/FIAGT3 Cars 2014

[pederb]

I'm trying to put together a list of GTD/FIAGT3 cars for USCR 2014.

So far we have for the 2014 season

Ferrari 458
Audi R8
Aston Martin Vantage
SRT Viper GT3
Porsche Cup GT3
AMG SLS GT3

But what about;


BMW Z4 GT3
McLaren MP4-12C
Nissan GT-R GT3
Lamborghini Gallardo GT3
Chevrolet Camaro GT3
Bentley Continental GT3
Chevrolet Corvette GT3

GTD could be a very diverse class in 2014

[Speed-King]

Also the Lotus Evora and the Mazda 6s from GX.

[pederb]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Also the Lotus Evora and the Mazda 6s from GX.

yea but they are not FIAGT3 cars but you are right

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by pederb

yea but they are not FIAGT3 cars but you are right

Neither is the next GTD-spec Porsche or the Ferrari.

[pederb]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Neither is the next GTD-spec Porsche or the Ferrari.

Think the 458 started it's life as FIAGT3 and was modified to GA spec but I could be wrong, but are right about the Porsche.

[Starfish Primer]

What is the cost difference between the FIA GT3 and the Porsche Cup GT3?

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by Starfish Primer

What is the cost difference between the FIA GT3 and the Porsche Cup GT3?

€200,000, basically.

[Starfish Primer]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

€200,000, basically.

Thanks! So why choose a McLaren or a R8 when you can have the same performance at lower cost with a 911 Cup?

[urdragon]

Originally Posted by Starfish Primer

Thanks! So why choose a McLaren or a R8 when you can have the same performance at lower cost with a 911 Cup?

Epic BoP!.

The fact is they coexisted with the GT3 in BES 2010 but where uncompetitive.

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by Starfish Primer

Thanks! So why choose a McLaren or a R8 when you can have the same performance at lower cost with a 911 Cup?

Because the Audi R8 sounds and looks better...

[WolfsburgRS]

Keeping in mind in all this is that a GT3 Cup and an FIA spec GT3R are totally different cars really. GTD is supposed to have the GT3 Cup as it's benchmark, but the GT3 Cup is nothing near or close to the GT3R, which is the FIA GT3 spec version of the 911. (The GT3 RSR is the GTE version)

So basically the 'true' FIA GT3 cars (R8, AMG, etc) are all dumbed down to much lower levels of performance (the Gt3 Cup benchmark) in the GTD class. If USRC were to make it a true Gt3 class the GT3R would need to be an option rather than a cup car, but at that point they're stepping on the toes of the GTE machines pace-wise, budgets go up (I would guess) and at some tracks the GT3 cars would likely be faster. (more horsepower but less aero would suit Daytona I would guess)

[TF110]

If GT3 were mostly amatuer drivers they would be slower than GTE. ELMS works decently with the two classes.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by TF110

If GT3 were mostly amatuer drivers they would be slower than GTE. ELMS works decently with the two classes.

The GT3s in ELMS (and GT-Open) are slowed down compared to what they run in e.g. Blancpain.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

The GT3s in ELMS (and GT-Open) are slowed down compared to what they run in e.g. Blancpain.

They dont have to be slowed down, those Continental tires will take care of that

[urdragon]

Originally Posted by TF110

If GT3 were mostly amatuer drivers they would be slower than GTE. ELMS works decently with the two classes.

Just wait till Peter Kox has a bit of luck.

[avvelenamento]

True for 2011-2012 BES seasons, this year SRO adopted a simil FIA bop + pirelli facepalm compound = 2013 BES GT3 slowed down as well.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by avvelenamento

True for 2011-2012 BES seasons, this year SRO adopted a simil FIA bop + pirelli facepalm compound = 2013 BES GT3 slowed down as well.

Yes, but the GT3 cars in ELMS also run 20kg (for 2011-spec cars) or 40kg (for newer cars) heavier than their homologated base weight.

http://www.europeanlemansseries.com/...tc-bop-v04.pdf

[avvelenamento]

Yeah, I know, ELMS GT class is a pro-am class, GT3 have been slowed down to don't let GT3 finish ahead GTE. If I remember well also fuel tank of GT3 have been aggressively boppized.

[Lagunaseca_4life]

Well they set the Porsche gt America as the bench mark, so maybe there's still some Porsche money in it for the series like with gtc.

[cmk]

Great to have your perspective on this issue from the driver's seat, Mike. It certainly seems to be a foolish decision from the outside, but what's troubling for me is when a funded competitor (ultimately their client) is talking total sense and USCR doesn't seem to be listening. This has been going on across the board with the series for far too long now, and I've started to lose all hope that they recognize who actually is important here. It is one thing to frustrate fans, but when you're disappointing entrants repeatedly it really feels like the plot has been lost.

Yes, there may be support from groups like Porsche, but something tells me a GT3-R is more expensive than a GT America, so I expect they'd be quite happy selling more of the former?

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by cmk

Yes, there may be support from groups like Porsche, but something tells me a GT3-R is more expensive than a GT America, so I expect they'd be quite happy selling more of the former?

Looking at GT3 series world wide, the GT3R is not a high selling car, at least not in the way the Audi or Ferrari are, so Porsche might actually prefer quantity over quality.

Also, by offering the GT-America for about half the cost of the GT3s any team that doesn't have a special reason to spring for a FIA GT3 car will by default choose the Porsche as long as it is competitive. Even more so for the one/offs that only do Daytona and Sebring... there were 19 Porsche Cup cars in the Rolex24 this year.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Looking at GT3 series world wide, the GT3R is not a high selling car, at least not in the way the Audi or Ferrari are, so Porsche might actually prefer quantity over quality.

Also, by offering the GT-America for about half the cost of the GT3s any team that doesn't have a special reason to spring for a FIA GT3 car will by default choose the Porsche as long as it is competitive. Even more so for the one/offs that only do Daytona and Sebring... there were 19 Porsche Cup cars in the Rolex24 this year.

Maybe it also has something to do with the Paris 'universal rule' talks?





L.P.

[pederb]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Looking at GT3 series world wide, the GT3R is not a high selling car, at least not in the way the Audi or Ferrari are, so Porsche might actually prefer quantity over quality.

Also, by offering the GT-America for about half the cost of the GT3s any team that doesn't have a special reason to spring for a FIA GT3 car will by default choose the Porsche as long as it is competitive. Even more so for the one/offs that only do Daytona and Sebring... there were 19 Porsche Cup cars in the Rolex24 this year.

Also knowing that no car can be faster then their GT-America must also be a selling point.

[broadrun96]

Then you are completely missing the point of the work the new group is doing in bringing the two series together. If you want new chassis in the series then come back in 2015, 2014 will be a weird season of transition especially for teams in GTC/GTD that aren't exactly rolling McDuck style in cash.

Looks like a couple are running 2008s but mostly 2010/11 builds. And I doubt that multiple season use will change in a new series, it will be a slow transition especially as one of the 2012 chassis teams, Brumos, is not running anymore. Thanks, I hadn't looked that close on the GA entry lists before but knew someone on here would know where to find the information.

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

Then you are completely missing the point of the work the new group is doing in bringing the two series together. If you want new chassis in the series then come back in 2015, 2014 will be a weird season of transition especially for teams in GTC/GTD that aren't exactly rolling McDuck style in cash.

Looks like a couple are running 2008s but mostly 2010/11 builds. And I doubt that multiple season use will change in a new series, it will be a slow transition especially as one of the 2012 chassis teams, Brumos, is not running anymore. Thanks, I hadn't looked that close on the GA entry lists before but knew someone on here would know where to find the information.

How am I missing the point? If they are trying to keep costs down, then why did they work with Porsche to create a USCC-ONLY 911 that can be only run in that series? Why are they admitting GT3 cars which nobody running ALMS GTC or GAGT have? Seems like they wouldn't be doing this if they wanted to keep costs down. The 911 GT America is just about the same price as a regular GT3 Cup car. Why not just make that the USCC 911?