Take a 2019 Tea Break with Delta

[Peter Mallett]

That's architects for you. No idea of schedule or structures.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I remember the time-span of history being demonstrated in the archaeological programmes such as Time Team. When digging in the UK, they typically start with heavy machinery to dig the first few feet, before going delicate.
When they are in US or Australia, they start delicate straight away because the history is so near the surface, not buried under 1,000s of years....

Speaking of history:

https://exit.al/en/2018/10/08/the-tr...o-archaeology/

[zefarelly]

The Philosophy seems to work for historic racing

The church are wealthier than most states, they can afford renovations. How do you think they managed to build such monsters in the first place.

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

It's history. Ignore that at your peril.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

It's history. Ignore that at your peril.

Exactly. I wasn’t even thinking of any religious significance when looking at the burning building!

Finding the right wood for the roof structure will be a challenge, and the skills to replicate what was there.....

[John Elwin]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Exactly. I wasn’t even thinking of any religious significance when looking at the burning building!

Finding the right wood for the roof structure will be a challenge, and the skills to replicate what was there.....

By coincidence the man working on the roof of Michele's house at this very moment is fully qualified to work on historic buildings, so he might well be busy for the next few years! Good job she got in first.

A large sum of money has I gather already been pledged by the government towards repairs.

[MGDavid]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

That's architects for you. No idea of schedule or structures.

....or budgets .

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by John Elwin

By coincidence the man working on the roof of Michele's house at this very moment is fully qualified to work on historic buildings, so he might well be busy for the next few years! Good job she got in first.

A large sum of money has I gather already been pledged by the government towards repairs.

I gather the President has asked other members of the EU to put a hand in their pockets as well......

From what I heard and read, the oak beams were from 900 year old trees located in a specific forest? If correct, that sort of detail will be hard to replicate.

[gary396]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Exactly. I wasn’t even thinking of any religious significance when looking at the burning building!

Finding the right wood for the roof structure will be a challenge, and the skills to replicate what was there.....

I was reading elsewhere an article by a Frenchman who attended an event at Versailles some years ago regarding disaster recovery and long term planning. They were told that trees are 'ready & waiting' there if they were ever needed for such a situation at Notre Dame. Specifically planted / grown for such a disaster scenario - long term planning indeed.

Very forward thinking if correct.

[grantp]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Anyone living in the Donington area may be interested in the link below. New Ginetta showroom opening where the Caterham one was......

https://www.bookatrack.com/downloads...oom-launch.pdf

And RSVP here.... http://www.bookatrack.org/rsvp

Oh, an official opening.


I thought it had been operating as such for quite a while - ever since Ginetta took over Bookatrack.



I'll contact my Ginetta oqing pal to see if he has had an invitation.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by grantp

Oh, an official opening. I thought it had been operating as such for quite a while - ever since Ginetta took over Bookatrack.

Could be, ‘official’ openings aren’t always an actual opening! Get yourself there in case there’s freebies.......

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by gary396

I was reading elsewhere an article by a Frenchman who attended an event at Versailles some years ago regarding disaster recovery and long term planning. They were told that trees are 'ready & waiting' there if they were ever needed for such a situation at Notre Dame. Specifically planted / grown for such a disaster scenario - long term planning indeed.

Very forward thinking if correct.

Indeed, if that is correct, it is very forward thinking! My understanding is that the beams are so large a span they needed the biggest trees to be able to make them? Again, I’m relying on the media, so may not be accurate.....

[grantp]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Indeed, if that is correct, it is very forward thinking! My understanding is that the beams are so large a span they needed the biggest trees to be able to make them? Again, I’m relying on the media, so may not be accurate.....

I'm sure the Greens would be happiest if either the place was not rebuilt (think of the carbon!) or, if rebuilding cannot be avoided, is completely updated to the latest passivhaus standards to help fight Climate Change.


I doubt that murdering ancient trees would be an attractive proposition for them.

[John Elwin]

Originally Posted by grantp

I'm sure the Greens would be happiest if either the place was not rebuilt (think of the carbon!) or, if rebuilding cannot be avoided, is completely updated to the latest passivhaus standards to help fight Climate Change.


I doubt that murdering ancient trees would be an attractive proposition for them.

Doesn't using trees count as being 'sustainable' in this crazy, mixed-up world?

Only problem is, Paris's rabidly anti-car mayor will probably prohibit the large vehicles required to bring the wood in!

[GORDON STREETER]

My wife worked at Tonbridge Public School for 30 years, in the 80s the school chapel was being renovated and was almost complete when it burnt down and had to be rebuilt. It was never really discovered what happened but the fire started in the roof section.

[bauble]

Originally Posted by GORDON STREETER

My wife worked at Tonbridge Public School for 30 years, in the 80s the school chapel was being renovated and was almost complete when it burnt down and had to be rebuilt. It was never really discovered what happened but the fire started in the roof section.

Does she smoke Gordon?

[grantp]

Originally Posted by John Elwin

Doesn't using trees count as being 'sustainable' in this crazy, mixed-up world?

Only problem is, Paris's rabidly anti-car mayor will probably prohibit the large vehicles required to bring the wood in!

Only if they can make money from the trees or monitoring how they are used.

My local cities seem to have administrations with people who probably have the same opinion as the mayor of Paris.

It's interesting that reports in the last few days have gone public about the world's business leaders cottoning on to the way the green 'revolution' offers opportunities for mega-corporations that they (and their bonuses) could only dream of on the business-as-usual world.


Why battle the politicians and fight paying taxes when you can "befriend" them and have access to to all the funds they can legally obtain from the masses?

I was wondering whether there was more to, for example, Royal Dutch Shell suddenly making moves into the renewables market and setting out to become a major green supplier.

After all, opportunism in business is one thing but buying the competition seems to be heading for new extremes.

Anyway, being a shareholder after the UK Gas takeover, I got notice of the AGMN through the post today - a really cheap only partially sealed sheet of thin card that is easily bulged to see any of the information required for voting at the AGM and covered with all of the usual "sustainability" BS words.

That made me wonder. Especially about who on earth the Chairman, Chad Holliday, might be.

It turns out that he seems to be a green zealot who in his formative life after obtaining an engineering degree somewhere in the USA (not a name I knew at all) joined Du Pont and spent 30 years rising to the top of that organisation before converting it from a Chemical Company to a "science-based products and services company".

He then retired and has landed a number of Chairmanship jobs at very notable an influential places since, ending up at Shell.

Presumably, based on recent activity, he is planning the same service company strategy for Shell's development too. The world can never have too many services companies, although hopefully one or two chemical companies might also survive. Just in case we still find ourselves needing chemicals for things occasionally.

So it seems that the anti-car city administrations probably have at least one, maybe more, of the world's largest fuel companies on their side.

Clearly the margins for making money on new technology and infrastructure are far more attractive to the money men and the titans of industry than the existing opportunities.

It will be interesting to see how this all turns out. Hopefully it will be more interesting for the younger generations than for me but not so interesting that they are plunged back into the Dark Ages.

Meantime I see the great and the good of the richer echelons of French business society appear to be falling over themselves to give money to the cause of the re-build of Notre Dame.

Is it purely virtue signalling? Or something deeper?

I would imagine there are significant areas of the cities in France where the population would rather the wealth of the rich was distributed in a different way.

Must be time for another cup of tea after all that ...

[S griffin]

Interesting analysis there. Have to re read that to make sure I take everything in

[John Elwin]

Stephane Ratel has announced that SRO will contribute 50,000 euros to the Notre Dame rebuild fund, so motorsport does its bit.

[delta]

Nothing has been said if Quasimodo is OK. I am very concerned.

[Mike Bell]

Interesting comment from a professor on the news lunchtime, and something that grant hinted at many posts back, was the fact that most historic buildings go through ‘evolutions’, and that will be the case with Notre Dame. Not sure which ‘Evo’ number it will be, however......

[midgetman]

Which is basically what I said a page or so back first thing this morning. *sigh*

Good timing for Macron. He can be seen to be in touch with what his people want using other people's money. The EU is falling over to buy him off after his Brexit "concession".

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[grantp]

Originally Posted by delta

Nothing has been said if Quasimodo is OK. I am very concerned.

Lovely perspective Iain.



In Max's terminology (Or something close to it) , today you win the internet.

[John Elwin]

Originally Posted by delta

Nothing has been said if Quasimodo is OK. I am very concerned.

I've got a hunch he'll be OK!

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by midgetman

Which is basically what I said a page or so back first thing this morning. *sigh*

Good timing for Macron. He can be seen to be in touch with what his people want using other people's money. The EU is falling over to buy him off after his Brexit "concession".

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Sorry Max, for not giving you credit as well. (But it was last night...)

And I thought exactly the same when watching the president on telly this eve.....

[grantp]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Sorry Max, for not giving you credit as well. (But it was last night...)

And I thought exactly the same when watching the president on telly this eve.....

It would surely be difficult to go through his education route (École nationale d'administration (ENA)), a role in the Civil Service and then a move to Rothschilds before hooking up with the politicos and NOT have the ability to spot an opportunity for self promotion that others are paying for.

Indeed, if one's choice of advisors and sycophants was so bad as to miss it the credibility of the entire structure of French Society would be questionable.

Right Gerard?