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Old 12 Jul 2020, 19:48 (Ref:3987739)   #151
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Well after a disastrous quali for ferrari you thought things could not get worse for them, but you would be wrong, i suspect as usual the team will argue amongst themselves, but they need to sort themselves out.
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Old 12 Jul 2020, 19:58 (Ref:3987749)   #152
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Have to say that (T)Racing Point might be in trouble here.

And, if so, what about AMG Mercedes? The Daimler board also don’t take kindly to their name being brought into disrepute.
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Old 12 Jul 2020, 20:00 (Ref:3987751)   #153
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Was interesting that after all the breakdowns last week only Ocon broke down this week.
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Old 12 Jul 2020, 20:15 (Ref:3987756)   #154
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Don't mention the war then.
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Old 12 Jul 2020, 20:19 (Ref:3987758)   #155
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Considering the thousands of photographs each team analyses from each race,it would be a fairly dozy team that didn't pay close attention to the most successful car of last season.Unless they actually used the same CAD models,and it needs to be proved,a level of topological similarity is quite likely.Perhaps somebody ought to be asking why the whole grid isn't filled with Mercedes clones.I am familiar with the different packaging constraints and some could be reduced in significance for a performance gain.


On a different note,does it seem that the "agreed" changes to the Ferrari engine seem to have dragged the customer teams back to the sort of performance that McLaren had in the Honda years?
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Old 12 Jul 2020, 20:25 (Ref:3987759)   #156
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Have to say that (T)Racing Point might be in trouble here.

And, if so, what about AMG Mercedes? The Daimler board also don’t take kindly to their name being brought into disrepute.
I was thinking, whether this could this impinge on Mercedes.
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Old 12 Jul 2020, 20:26 (Ref:3987761)   #157
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Don't mention the war then.
But in most countries the Name Daimler can not be used by them as it is owned by jaguar, hence Mercedes
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Old 12 Jul 2020, 20:53 (Ref:3987765)   #158
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Considering the thousands of photographs each team analyses from each race,it would be a fairly dozy team that didn't pay close attention to the most successful car of last season.Unless they actually used the same CAD models,and it needs to be proved,a level of topological similarity is quite likely.Perhaps somebody ought to be asking why the whole grid isn't filled with Mercedes clones.I am familiar with the different packaging constraints and some could be reduced in significance for a performance gain.


On a different note,does it seem that the "agreed" changes to the Ferrari engine seem to have dragged the customer teams back to the sort of performance that McLaren had in the Honda years?
I have that same thought, even if they are reasonably close and given the quality of cameras a damn good copy could be had fairly easily. It would have to be proven that Mercedes sold the design and then Racing Point used that CAD file of the 2019 MB car design to build their brake ducts. They could be identical but not be a violation of the regs unless the stewards can prove Racing Point used THE file from Mercedes to make it.

Feels to me like Renault wants to protest for the spirit of the sporting regs and sporting fairness. The fact every car with an MB engine/transmission and even a few listed parts isn't a copy of last year's design baffles me.
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Old 12 Jul 2020, 21:38 (Ref:3987772)   #159
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The fact every car with an MB engine/transmission and even a few listed parts isn't a copy of last year's design baffles me.
Well, Williams use their own gearbox because it is “better” (strictly in 2007 terms).
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Well, Williams use their own gearbox because it is “better” (strictly in 2007 terms).
That baffles me even more. Didn't they just finally upgrade to carbon box too? Or are they still pretending aluminum is the wave of the future
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Old 12 Jul 2020, 23:11 (Ref:3987794)   #161
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Can someone please explain how Stroll avoided a penalty for forcing Ricciardo off the track ????? Did his dad give the stewards a bit of cash.

He screws up his passing attempt, forces Ricciardo off the track. (The only reason there was not big contact is Ricciardo turning left to avoid him. He is off the track himself when he completes the pass on Ricciardo. His poor driving basically cost Ricciardo 3 positions

Racing incident ??? WTF

Compare that to the 2 penalties Ricciardo go at last years French Grand Prix, when he was arguably in more control of his car.
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Old 12 Jul 2020, 23:15 (Ref:3987795)   #162
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Did his dad give the stewards a bit of cash.
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Old 12 Jul 2020, 23:22 (Ref:3987796)   #163
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For those who would like to judge for themselves:

Paul Ricard 2019: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...TEC1Nvvv3.html
Austria 2 2020: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...wd8F3ZqtP.html

Can’t say I have a really strong opinion on this.
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Old 13 Jul 2020, 01:58 (Ref:3987805)   #164
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Yeah, that was racing incident no more, no less. Mostly because both screwed up the corner and either could have been faulted for being stupid, Ric early and Stroll late. He probably should have conceded the spot back and they went at it again later
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Hilarious comment I ran across on YouTube regarding this past race...

Racing Point: Pink Mercedes
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Can someone please explain how Stroll avoided a penalty for forcing Ricciardo off the track ????? Did his dad give the stewards a bit of cash.

He screws up his passing attempt, forces Ricciardo off the track. (The only reason there was not big contact is Ricciardo turning left to avoid him. He is off the track himself when he completes the pass on Ricciardo. His poor driving basically cost Ricciardo 3 positions

Racing incident ??? WTF

Compare that to the 2 penalties Ricciardo go at last years French Grand Prix, when he was arguably in more control of his car.
You are right Trev, there is no possible explanation for this decision.

Not only did Stroll not leave room for Ricciardo, he forced Ricciardo to take avoiding action to such an extent he forced him off the track, did not even stay within the track confines himself, and gained advantage!

A lot of money must have changed hands, beyond comprehension!

Leclerc also, nothing, seems to be if Vettel is involved the other driver is free and clear no matter what!

Kudos to Charles for admitting the mistake though!

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A lot of money must have changed hands, beyond comprehension!
I salute your level of sarcasm.
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I salute your level of sarcasm.
Necessary, how can experienced stewards get such an obvious decision so damn wrong?

Ferrari - Red Haas Brilliant!
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Not quite as action packed as the first race, but still enough going on to keep us interested.

Great win for Hamilton, good recovery from Bottas. Max did his best, shame his tyres went off. Albon needs to pick up his pace again

Ferrari's current standing summed up by the clash between the two drivers. Bit ambitious by Leclerc, but at least he held his hands up for it.

Racing Point made a good recovery, shame both drivers got a bit ambitious at the end. We'll see what happens with the Renault protest. McLaren went a bit backwards in the race, until another late race charge by Lando.

Shame Russell threw it away, imagine what he could have achieved but for that moment
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... Max did his best, shame his tyres went off. Albon needs to pick up his pace again

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Max also had some damage to his front wing end plate wich caused him to lose more time


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RBR are saying he got his endplate lodged in his bargeboard. I'm not sure I like the sound of that.

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