LMP2 Manufacturers and Engine Suppliers - Page 61

**joeb** · 21 Jul 2015, 17:21 (Ref:3560079)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

Strakka has their Gibson.

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/s...tes-shakedown/

Does it deliver tea on that tray in front?

Deleted · 29 Jul 2015, 22:31 (Ref:3562279)

It's pretty amazing story for Strakka. First after abandoning the HPD LMP1 mid way through season they spend almost two years wasted with Dome in planning and "testing difficulties", then have three "okay but not great" showings with the said brand new machine, then while waiting for 2017 they ditch that thing for over ten year old open top Zytek dinosaur and in their first public test immediately obliterate the competition in cost cap class by over a second.

BTCC 318d · 30 Jul 2015, 19:04 (Ref:3562569)

^and plenty on this forum reckon that Strakka needed better drivers!
Now obviously it's just testing, but KCMG and G Drive were both there - we know that the Gibson is a very capable car, but IMO the test also proves that the Strakka team will be batling at the sharp end come the race.

In a way, it's a pity - i love the Dome story and the "little team that can" image of the strakka dome entry. I still want their P1 effort to go ahead and go well - but if they start winning in p2 in a gibson, will they want to go back to being off the pace vs oreca in a p1 dome?

Deleted · 30 Jul 2015, 19:44 (Ref:3562592)

The old Zytek is one of the best on market, which explains most of the sudden change in pace, but also even if they suddenly were to change their mind again and wanting to stay in P2, they'd have to switch cars and allegiances again. The design phase of the new P1 (which isn't Dome) will start sooner or later anyway so they are committing to that from very early days on and backtracking isn't really an option

TF110 · 30 Jul 2015, 20:08 (Ref:3562609)

The Dome was run on Michelin's up to Le Mans. They did one test with Dunlops at Spa then ran them at Le Mans. All their developing work was done on tires they abandoned.

Deleted · 30 Jul 2015, 20:17 (Ref:3562618)

What has that to do with anything.

And in any case it was their decision to ditch Mics so they didn't help themselves

TF110 · 30 Jul 2015, 20:45 (Ref:3562625)

You really need to ask that? Its one reason the Dome wasnt on pace. Obviously the Gibson has plenty of development done on it, and didnt go through a tire switch.

You were just talking about why their test times were so good. I just added to that another difference between the two cars.

Deleted · 30 Jul 2015, 20:50 (Ref:3562627)

The Dome wasn't really on pace even with Michelins before. And if(?) the Dunlops are such huge improve over them, that would have partly compensated for the switch difficults

I don't think the tires played that much of a difference

Zytek's just proven package all around, it's no wonder

Coach Ep · 30 Jul 2015, 21:23 (Ref:3562636)

Which makes the non selection/entry of Gibson a bigger shame than it already is...

Deleted · 30 Jul 2015, 21:43 (Ref:3562639)

Yeah but even if they had been allowed to stay and none of this greedy ACO spec limit crap had happened, because of the all-coupe format Zytek would have had to create a totally brand new car from scratches for the first time since they acquired the Reynard assets, and there's no telling if it had been good or bad. This current chassis was always going to die by the time of new regs. It's been a long road but sometimes it ends.

Anyway I hope they'll find their way into P1, Jota and Greaves have showed interest. Actually I'd wished Strakka would've contracted them (or HPD!) instead of going with risky own design

TF110 · 31 Jul 2015, 02:13 (Ref:3562678)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

The Dome wasn't really on pace even with Michelins before. And if(?) the Dunlops are such huge improve over them, that would have partly compensated for the switch difficults

I don't think the tires played that much of a difference

Zytek's just proven package all around, it's no wonder

The Michelins were not giving them what they wanted. So all that time on them was washed away by switching. Then by moving to Dunlop they had to start all over again. Just because they switched doesnt mean the car would suddenly be as fast. I think they just figured to put it to use in testing and designing for lmp1 and use something already proven in lmp2 instead of wasting time on the dome doing both. Im not saying the Dome was on pace or would be. Itd take too long and theres no point imo.

Jam3s · 31 Jul 2015, 10:09 (Ref:3562751)

The dunlop is the quickest tyre and from what I've heard, not by a small amount. Their support is also better which makes life easier for the teams. I'm sure it has played a role.

Great to have potentially another front runner for the remainder of the season too.

Coach Ep · 31 Jul 2015, 15:58 (Ref:3562847)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Yeah but even if they had been allowed to stay and none of this greedy ACO spec limit crap had happened, because of the all-coupe format Zytek would have had to create a totally brand new car from scratches for the first time since they acquired the Reynard assets, and there's no telling if it had been good or bad. This current chassis was always going to die by the time of new regs. It's been a long road but sometimes it ends.

True.

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Anyway I hope they'll find their way into P1, Jota and Greaves have showed interest. Actually I'd wished Strakka would've contracted them (or HPD!) instead of going with risky own design

Who knows, maybe Gibson provides more input into the new Strakka P1 than we are aware of (at this point) and will it end up as the preferred privateer chassis, being catered more to the needs of gentleman/amateur drivers (since Leventis will surely be covering a substantial part of the development bill) which could get Jota and/or Greaves involved with the same car/project as well.

littleman · 31 Jul 2015, 19:59 (Ref:3562892)

Truth is, Strakka gambled on the Dome in the hope it would give them a performance advantage over the Oreca & Ligier coupes. Had this proved to be the case, they were hoping to sell more Dome's on a commercial basis and maybe bid for the 2017 LMP2 supply contract. Clearly, this hasn't worked out for them.

The acquisition of the Gibson is a stop-gap until the P1 project is ready to go.It's possibly the best P2 car available "off the peg" so an obvious choice.

Now that Gibson have no future in P2 from 2017 onwards, I'd be very surprised if they're not heavily involved in the Strakka P1 project. It makes perfect sense for both companies.

Deleted · 31 Jul 2015, 20:49 (Ref:3562905)

When the Dome LMP2 was initiated in the 2013, no P2 coupes existed at that point (apart from the ill fated Kodewa-'Lotus' and some old Lolas lying around), it was still a full market for old recycled open tops. Now, the Onroak option did come along last year, but had Dome actually been able to get the thing ready for 2014 there could have been some chance for actual commercial supply contract. Something Dome has not been accustomed to but probably could have handed, probably. But 2015 was already too late for numerous reasons (incl Dome's own disappearing in the shadows) - even if the chassis had been good. Likewise, they never would have had any actual chance to get the spec supply contract, and the said greedy deals had likely been decided behind closed doors in French and US bunkers ages ago anyway.

Fingers crossed for the Zytek-Gibson involvement in P1

carbon_titanium · 31 Jul 2015, 21:24 (Ref:3562913)

spend 2 years to develope the dome... then finish the season with a zytek...

perfect for a meme

Coach Ep · 2 Sep 2015, 21:21 (Ref:3570853)

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/0...on-monday.html

Interesting that the ELMS (but not the WEC of course) will allow the IMSA approved engines!

Deleted · 2 Sep 2015, 21:59 (Ref:3570864)

Can ACO still feed the cost reduction and stability BS excuse and not admit cashing-in now that the spec engine deal has officially confirmed to be for 6 hour WEC races (+maybe aslms?) only...

BullMan · 2 Sep 2015, 22:45 (Ref:3570874)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/0...on-monday.html

Interesting that the ELMS (but not the WEC of course) will allow the IMSA approved engines!

It's for Krohn.

Deleted · 2 Sep 2015, 22:56 (Ref:3570876)

Krohn is not the only US entry as Dragonspeed and Starworks will/should be there too and we don't know about them

Anyway it would be incredibly stupid for the series only allow non-spec engines for the US teams, and not the Europeans too, so if say Pegasus wanted to run Judd or something, they should be allowed in the name of fairness, otherwise it's geographical favouring

It's kinda funny, in ELMS, you know the otherwise lowered down proam series with little interest, you will have multi engines + tire war between Dunlop and Mic, while in WEC it's dumbed down spec motor, and all Dunlops (alright the tire choice is still free, but Michelin's not too popular in the world series)

**joeb** · 3 Sep 2015, 00:43 (Ref:3570905)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/0...on-monday.html

Interesting that the ELMS (but not the WEC of course) will allow the IMSA approved engines!

Wow I didn't expect to see the elms get the free engine choice. That's good news.

seanyb505 · 3 Sep 2015, 15:10 (Ref:3571051)

Nice to hear. My guess is if your WEC P2 team is professional enough and really craves variation in major aspects of the car, mgmt would rather have you in Privateer P1.

Maybe not directly. Probably not directly.

Coach Ep · 3 Sep 2015, 15:20 (Ref:3571054)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

It's for Krohn.

Krohn has a Judd engine right? So that would assume Judd is not gonna be the selected engine supplier after having put in a bid to become so. Zytek (or is the engine side also called Gibson now?) seems to be the favorite for the pick.

In IMSA we'll probably see Chevy, HPD (or Honda), Mazda and perhaps Judd engines being 'approved'. How about a Roush Yates Ford one?

Still wish IMSA would go the 'bold' direction: open up chassis and engine options, restricting (in general) has never worked in this type of racing anyway.

MagVanisher · 3 Sep 2015, 20:36 (Ref:3571167)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Wow I didn't expect to see the elms get the free engine choice. That's good news.

Good news, but it'll balanced out unless the BoP in ELMS is slightly better than the IMSA series.

Deleted · 3 Sep 2015, 20:52 (Ref:3571173)

They never touch the P2 BoP in ACO nowadays, not in chassis or engine or anywhere else. And even though the new ACO 2017 engine rules will have to require some sort of flickering between the €€€ spec engine and non-spec engines to be on the same level, it will still be nothing the like as in the US where they'll get constantly rebopped to the point where you don't even remember who's 'supposed to be on top' this weekend. There isn't any real political OEM power in ELMS either

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