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Old 16 Oct 2017, 14:08 (Ref:3774503)   #76
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I can't remember exactly the dimensions, but there is a limit on length, width and type of car.
4 to 5 doors, 4,20m x 1,95m maximum.
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Old 16 Oct 2017, 15:22 (Ref:3774509)   #77
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Is there a maximum size limit for TCR cars?

I wish they would allow RWD.
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Old 16 Oct 2017, 15:38 (Ref:3774511)   #78
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Glad they don't to be honest. BoP is hard enough between FWD cars as it is without throwing RWD in the mix as well. Just look at all the grief in BTCC.
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Old 16 Oct 2017, 17:08 (Ref:3774531)   #79
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Yep, I'm so happy TCR discussions are free of the continuous moaning and ranting about RWD. That alone is worth the loss of BMW already...
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Old 17 Oct 2017, 08:25 (Ref:3774615)   #80
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Glad they don't to be honest. BoP is hard enough between FWD cars as it is without throwing RWD in the mix as well. Just look at all the grief in BTCC.
It didn't seem to cause a problem in super touring. They just slapped BMW with a 25kg weight penalty and then got on with it.

The same with S2000. I dont remember much arguing until the TDi came along.
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Old 17 Oct 2017, 08:38 (Ref:3774618)   #81
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New Civic TCR hits the track
It looked more aggressive on artwork
https://www.touringcartimes.com/2017...r-track-debut/
Not exactly a beauty, but that wasn't to be expected with the road car it's based on I sure hope they get the reliability issues sorted the current Civic was plagued with.
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Old 17 Oct 2017, 10:07 (Ref:3774638)   #82
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I disagree. This car looks fantastic!
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Old 17 Oct 2017, 11:35 (Ref:3774650)   #83
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The front of that new Civic looks pretty amazing. The rear... not so much.
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Old 17 Oct 2017, 13:34 (Ref:3774663)   #84
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The Peugeot 308 TCR has a 1.6L motor, but it has evolved with guys from Citroen to develop more power.
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Old 17 Oct 2017, 22:08 (Ref:3774754)   #85
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Is there a maximum size limit for TCR cars?

I wish they would allow RWD.
Which RWD cars are left in the cold besides the BMW 1-Series?
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Old 24 Oct 2017, 03:31 (Ref:3776021)   #86
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Rumors are about Toyota and Mazda building TCR car, as well beginning of TCR Japan
Superb news!
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Old 24 Oct 2017, 17:05 (Ref:3776173)   #87
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Which RWD cars are left in the cold besides the BMW 1-Series?
And the next generation 1 series is FWD anyway.
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Old 24 Oct 2017, 19:26 (Ref:3776228)   #88
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And the next generation 1 series is FWD anyway.

Yep, so there's no reason to allow RWD.
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Old 25 Oct 2017, 05:34 (Ref:3776308)   #89
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Rob Huff replaced by... Gordon Shedden for Dubai!

https://www.touringcars.net/2017/10/...-season-finale
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Old 25 Oct 2017, 07:45 (Ref:3776322)   #90
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Nice
But I expected Kristofferson. He dominated STCC races he raced, and he also raced in Golf.
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Old 25 Oct 2017, 08:10 (Ref:3776329)   #91
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Yep, so there's no reason to allow RWD.
There are other car makers that do make RWD cars other than BMW. Lexus, Mercedes etc. Sure perhaps none of their cars "fit" right now, but in a few years, who knows. To totally shut out RWD seems wrong to me.
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There are other car makers that do make RWD cars other than BMW. Lexus, Mercedes etc. Sure perhaps none of their cars "fit" right now, but in a few years, who knows. To totally shut out RWD seems wrong to me.
But who of them makes a TCR type car that's RWD? MB had FWD with the A and B class cars that are hatches so they have a chassis if desired. The only Lexus hatch I can think of is the CT (Prius with a fancy badge) and that's not really in the TCR. It seems like the chance of a RWD small hatch coming back anywhere in the world, especially in the era of extreme platform sharing, is so slim as to not even be a consideration. When BMW is going to move their 1 series to FWD, that's the sign small and RWD outside of 2 seaters might be over.

And if no one has anything in the pipeline or under consideration the next set of rules will be out before they are produced and things could be changed.
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But who of them makes a TCR type car that's RWD? MB had FWD with the A and B class cars that are hatches so they have a chassis if desired. The only Lexus hatch I can think of is the CT (Prius with a fancy badge) and that's not really in the TCR. It seems like the chance of a RWD small hatch coming back anywhere in the world, especially in the era of extreme platform sharing, is so slim as to not even be a consideration. When BMW is going to move their 1 series to FWD, that's the sign small and RWD outside of 2 seaters might be over.

And if no one has anything in the pipeline or under consideration the next set of rules will be out before they are produced and things could be changed.
What about Jaguar XE, it's only 20cm longer than Audi RS3, also Giulia will be much better solution for TCR than Giulietta.
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They could simply build FWD versions of their cars for TCR. 2 of the 3 cars used in NASCAR Cup series are based on FWD cars, so why not?
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They could simply build FWD versions of their cars for TCR. 2 of the 3 cars used in NASCAR Cup series are based on FWD cars, so why not?
TCR uses a homologated road car as a base, so they would need to build a FWD road car first.
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Right, but you can rework an AWD-car.
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Right, but you can rework an AWD-car.
You mean re-work an AWD road car to a FWD race car? I don't think that's an option. It would need to be FIA Group A homologated. You could only use a FWD version of an AWD car if it's homologated as a FWD, which needs a minimum production build.

Either way it's a moot point. As we've already said, how many makes are there that only have a RWD car in a size suitable for TCR, and of those how many would even be interested in building a TCR-spec car? That's already a very small number., now we are asking how many of those also have an AWD model which would be suitable for TCR?
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You mean re-work an AWD road car to a FWD race car? I don't think that's an option.
Top Run does it with the Subaru
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Albeit this has been one of the main sources of their problems with the development of the car.
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