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Old 19 Jan 2018, 03:48 (Ref:3793725)   #196
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Not a good start to the 2018 campaign for STR/Honda. They have fired their head of aero, at a very critical time. Have to wonder if it had anything to do with the Honda engine fitment to the chassis/aero package.


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Old 19 Jan 2018, 09:07 (Ref:3793771)   #197
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Well the question is who have they got to take his place?
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Old 19 Jan 2018, 09:22 (Ref:3793774)   #198
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Well the question is who have they got to take his place?
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The word is that Gilhome will be replaced in his role by his deputy Ben Mallock, who has been with the team since 2012, having joined from Mercedes. He was a Red Bull aerodynamicist for four years before moving to Brawn GP early in 2009.
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Old 20 Jan 2018, 22:46 (Ref:3794067)   #199
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Not a good start to the 2018 campaign for STR/Honda. They have fired their head of aero, at a very critical time. Have to wonder if it had anything to do with the Honda engine fitment to the chassis/aero package.


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Probably had the effrontery to tell Gunther how bad the Honda engine was to package compared to the Renault engine, probably the cooling requirements.
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Old 21 Jan 2018, 03:11 (Ref:3794081)   #200
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Probably had the effrontery to tell Gunther how bad the Honda engine was to package compared to the Renault engine, probably the cooling requirements.
Not wishing to be pedantic but I think you might be confusing Team principals.
Franz Tost is the top man at Toro Rosso.
Gunther (Steiner) is team boss at Haas F1.
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Old 21 Jan 2018, 03:25 (Ref:3794083)   #201
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Not wishing to be pedantic but I think you might be confusing Team principals.
Franz Tost is the top man at Toro Rosso.
Gunther (Steiner) is team boss at Haas F1.
Oops! Crossed wire. Good Point!
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Old 31 Jan 2018, 10:35 (Ref:3797136)   #202
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“Red Bull chief Helmut Marko has launched a staunch defence of Honda, insisting Fernando Alonso did everything to "make the engine look bad".

Alonso lamented the Japanese engine suppliers' performance throughout McLaren's plagued three-year partnership, and is now looking forward to Renault power in 2018.

But after Honda moved across to Toro Rosso, Marko is optimistic about the Red Bull junior team's season.

"Honda is very active and has already found something," the Red Bull advisor told Auto Motor und Sport. "Maybe they manage to be on the level of Renault with the second engine.

"Honda had to compromise on the McLaren chassis specification. They could not develop freely and were pretty limited. Alonso has done everything to make the engine look bad.”

I’m really hoping that this comes good. I think as per the article above, McLaren were far to restrictive with the chassis design and wouldn’t allow Honda the room they needed
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"Honda had to compromise on the McLaren chassis specification. They could not develop freely and were pretty limited. Alonso has done everything to make the engine look bad.”

I’m really hoping that this comes good. I think as per the article above, McLaren were far to restrictive with the chassis design and wouldn’t allow Honda the room they needed
Ring any bells?

Certainly reminds me of what was said about the initial/ongoing problems that Red Bull Racing had with the Renault unit in the first and second years of the new PUs.

As to the comment about Alonso, he is a racing driver who wants to win races. He was embarrassed by the equipment that was supplied by Honda, and wasn't reticent about voicing his opinion. As is said, 'You can't polish a turd'.
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Old 31 Jan 2018, 14:09 (Ref:3797179)   #204
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Exactly, he’s not one for towing the PR line, he was saying it how it was. Honda were an embarrassment last season
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Old 31 Jan 2018, 20:35 (Ref:3797288)   #205
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Exactly, he’s not one for towing the PR line, he was saying it how it was. Honda were an embarrassment last season
McLaren was embarrassment cause they are the running team. Blaming Honda was nothing but finger pointing trying to protect the brand. Both Honda and McLaren were so intervened in car development that it's not as simple as yelling on the radio how engine lacks power yet at the same time you cut off 15km/h of top speed to try to promote your chassis. Honda didn't just develop the engine and said here you go stuck in into your car. As a matter of fact it was vice versa, McLaren had engine design in mind and they just hired Honda to make it into reality. And it all went to crap.

Spiting on Honda publicly while they pay for your biggest salary on the grid is a ***** move. I hope Honda was smart to have a contractual obligation which would take off from his salary whenever he made public slur.
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Old 31 Jan 2018, 22:05 (Ref:3797304)   #206
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The fact that the McLaren went well on slower tracks says all you need to know about the Honda engine. The fact is last season’s McLaren was a good chassis, but at least at the beginning it only went well at circuits where power didn’t matter quite so much
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Let’s see. I am far from convinced that the McLaren chassis is good, and that perhaps they did everything to make it look like it was all Honda in a vain attempt to sign a title sponsor for this year. The title sponsor they now say they never wanted having failed to sign one of course...
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We'll find out the truth come March. If McLaren is not up there RB and Ferrari, then it wasn't just the engine. If Toro Rosso is suddenly inside the top 10, then the Honda is pretty decent!
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We'll find out the truth come March. If McLaren is not up there RB and Ferrari, then it wasn't just the engine. If Toro Rosso is suddenly inside the top 10, then the Honda is pretty decent!
The problem with that logic is that you've got no way of judging how good last years chassis was based on the performance of this years chassis - it'll be a completely different design. So last years may have been brilliant then this year they could have gone down the wrong route and come up with a pig of a car.

The general consensus in all coverage (TV, print, online) seemed to be that the chassis was the strong point of the package and the engine the weak point. Exactly how good the chassis was and how bad the engine was we'll never know for sure (and until there's more than one team running the Honda it'll be hard to judge).
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And it wasn’t McLaren’s fault the Honda kept failing
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