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Old 6 Apr 2018, 14:17 (Ref:3813234)   #256
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Does the following sound like speculation?
I think that is a fair criticism of me. I should have found a way in that follow up post to not be so enthusiastic as to potential accuracy of my own speculation. Regardless... I asked to look at my previous post. Which clearly says it is speculation.

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Old 6 Apr 2018, 14:57 (Ref:3813245)   #257
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A lot of speculation, guessing and misinformed information being passed on as fact.
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Old 6 Apr 2018, 15:35 (Ref:3813255)   #258
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I think that is a fair criticism of me. I should have found a way in that follow up post to not be so enthusiastic as to potential accuracy of my own speculation. Regardless... I asked to look at my previous post. Which clearly says it is speculation.

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for what its worth Richard, i dont think you have to change a thing about your posting style!

there is always a lot of different information out there and you do extremely well (imo probably better than anyone else on this forum) to parse that information and present your thoughts, inferences, opinions, speculation in a clear and logical manner that, i think, fosters the friendly type of discourse that this forum has been sadly lacking as of late.

you keep posting man and i for one will keep reading!
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Old 6 Apr 2018, 17:17 (Ref:3813282)   #259
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for what its worth Richard, i dont think you have to change a thing about your posting style!

there is always a lot of different information out there and you do extremely well (imo probably better than anyone else on this forum) to parse that information and present your thoughts, inferences, opinions, speculation in a clear and logical manner that, i think, fosters the friendly type of discourse that this forum has been sadly lacking as of late.

you keep posting man and i for one will keep reading!
I'll second that CB. To be honest, most of the discussions are interesting, and I do find a lot of the differences in style interesting too. It's just that sometimes they do degenerate and can become what looks like personal vendetta's, but often, when I've nearly given up on a thread, someone sensible comes along and pulls things back into line.
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Old 6 Apr 2018, 17:19 (Ref:3813284)   #260
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Thirded. Don't change your posting style Richard. There's nothing wrong with it.
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Old 6 Apr 2018, 17:43 (Ref:3813291)   #261
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I will continue to try to keep it positive. I have high standards for my own posting style and occasionally struggle to meet them! One thing I am confident about is that we are ALL passionate about the sport even if we may not agree.



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Old 6 Apr 2018, 17:46 (Ref:3813293)   #262
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Gasly in the top ten, could we be in for a points finish for him this weekend?
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Old 6 Apr 2018, 17:48 (Ref:3813294)   #263
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FYI, you are totally incorrect. Honda are not using a McLaren supplied MGU-H in 2018. The MGU-H in the 2018 Honda/Toro Rosso is a 100% Honda Racing built unit. Not supplied by McLaren, or any other "third part supplier". The 2018 Honda MGU-H is somewhat of a copy of the 2017 Honda/McLaren unit, but is 100% designed and built in-house by Honda Racing in Japan. Again, it has nothing to do with McLaren, or McLaren Applied Technologies.
Could you elaborate on a couple of points, based on the strong assertion you make in the post here please?

Firstly, how can a copy of a MAT design also be 100% Honda designed?

Secondly, if the 2018 design is a copy of the MAT design, how have Honda got around the associated IP rights of a MAT design?

Thirdly, the indication that Honda are using components from MAT comes from a Honda Press Release in Jan 2018 that said: 'Until last year, Honda was relying on McLaren technically quite a bit. We were receiving components supplies in Europe through McLaren. Battery pack (ES) was McLaren's, and it was supposed that we were going to do the battery by ourselves sometime later. There are complications in law regarding battery about air transportation and customs. That's why battery pack had to be done at Milton Keynes. So we have to expand internal production otherwise we cannot continue. We must sort these out urgently.' - are you able to confirm that Honda have expanded this internal production?
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Old 6 Apr 2018, 17:53 (Ref:3813296)   #264
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I will continue to try to keep it positive. I have high standards for my own posting style and occasionally struggle to meet them! One thing I am confident about is that we are ALL passionate about the sport even if we may not agree.



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Richard,

The high standards you hold are a pleasure to contribute alongside. You clearly take time to evaluate both your own posts, and also the content of others you post in relation to.

It is also clear that you are able to accept in good spirit a post that may be critical, or of a differing view to yours, without the need to resort to immature and petty posting.

A healthy argument can be good if made in the right spirit and accepting of others viewpoints - and it is good to see a nice balance between factual content and personal opinion.

I hope to continue many discussions with you in future....
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Old 6 Apr 2018, 22:39 (Ref:3813393)   #265
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Firstly, how can a copy of a MAT design also be 100% Honda designed?

Secondly, if the 2018 design is a copy of the MAT design, how have Honda got around the associated IP rights of a MAT design?
I have asked a similar question on a different forum. Nobody has offered an answer, and we may never get one.

First, I donít think we know the balance of what Honda designed vs MAT in the entire ERS system let alone just the MGU-H. My initial post left the door open for it being MAT designed/sourced... or not.

And.. I also wonder if part of the Honda McLaren divorce, if that included making arrangements for IP licenses on specific technologies. Such as, letís say the 2017 MGU-H was sourced from MAT and now Honda owns, or has a license for, the 2018 version based upon the 2017 design. Honda could develop it in any direction I would assume?

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Gasly in the top ten, could we be in for a points finish for him this weekend?

It would be nice but I think thatís a long shot. A good boost for them to be running around at a decent pace though.
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Could you elaborate on a couple of points, based on the strong assertion you make in the post here please?

Firstly, how can a copy of a MAT design also be 100% Honda designed?

Secondly, if the 2018 design is a copy of the MAT design, how have Honda got around the associated IP rights of a MAT design?

Thirdly, the indication that Honda are using components from MAT comes from a Honda Press Release in Jan 2018 that said: 'Until last year, Honda was relying on McLaren technically quite a bit. We were receiving components supplies in Europe through McLaren. Battery pack (ES) was McLaren's, and it was supposed that we were going to do the battery by ourselves sometime later. There are complications in law regarding battery about air transportation and customs. That's why battery pack had to be done at Milton Keynes. So we have to expand internal production otherwise we cannot continue. We must sort these out urgently.' - are you able to confirm that Honda have expanded this internal production?
How dare you question one of the big hitters in F1! Canít you see heís obviously in the inner sanctum of F1? His name says it all! I demand a refund!
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I was hoping by year 5 we would have the Honda fan girls jumping up and down pointing fingers at the naysayers saying... I told you so, Honda are back, I knew they would, etc. etc. But nooo, looks like we will have to wait another year for the fan girls to get excited and point fingers at us Honda naysayers. In the meantime, the fan girls seem to be finding excuses and pointing the blame at others while they wait for Honda to (hopefully) get their act together sometime in the near future
did you just assume my gender? Iím clearly a fanBOY. I take offense at this.



(in all seriousness it is pretty low to insinuiate Ďgirlí as a negative which is what you have done)
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No the Honda will self destruct in the first 5 laps....
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