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lol .. i think i remember something like that being done before
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I like it.
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Me like it too... but FIA...
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In the States on Speed they only showed us the second qualifying session so we had NO idea what was going on!
I think the new format is dismal. I was no fan of the single car qualifying, but it was better than this. I think Mr V has point, but it would be difficult to implement. I'd like a simple return to 12 laps in an hour, with the possible exception that the first 6 laps are forfiet after 30 minutes. |
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Return to the old way.............and then lock the cars away overnight. Before the cars go out to line up on the grid on the Sunday, they can stop in their garage for race fuel with an adjudicator checking that no alterations to set up are made.
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I say go with MR V's suggestion. But combine your fastest lap of the 3 together with the 4th race setup lap. That would mix the grid up and force them to have a low fuel qualifying lap!?
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Or why not the old old way......two qualifying sessions with low fuel.
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The problem with the current system is teams like Minardi got 2 minutes to prepare the car for the second run.I agree with MS that this situation was hardly fair on them.It needs to go back to last years format.Another change that could be made is the first 4 teams in the championship from the year before keep the one engine rule.The rest can change an engine (only if the current one has a problem)without penalty.As for low fuel qualifying I don't agree.Each car should have to carry enough fuel to cover at least 10 laps on race day.This way the fans and other teams are under no illusion as who is running light.
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Well, 2 minutes is a eternity for a pit stop...
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I agree that 2 mins is a long time for a pit stop but not enough time to fix a problem with the car
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Yeah, but then again, they deserve to be at the back, if at that point they have problems with the cars... and hey, I'm a Minardi supporter.
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FIA Told to Change "Stupid" Qualiying Format
F1's powerbrokers are to have urgent talks about changing the new "stupid' qualifying format for grands prix, which left many irritated and confused in Melbourne.
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/formulao...165393,00.html For the reccord, I am absolutely agree with this idea. Bring back old quafying format!!! Last edited by Led ZeppF1; 9 Mar 2004 at 06:02. |
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I would like a revision of the qualifying structure.
Instead of having the first qualifying session in it's layout. You have a Quali 1 on friday, where the drivers can do 4 flat out laps, like normal qualifying was in 2002 and before that. Then have a qualifying 2, exactly the same as it is now. As i am all for the qualifying with race tanks. |
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I agree, the first session seemed pointless, the whole thing was too long and drawn out and I can't see major TV networks continuing to devote 2 hours out of a Saturday TV schedule to it.
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As a spectacle the current format is boring. But can I ask this: do you seriously think it will make much difference to the races?
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Exactly. They need to fix everything whilst they are at it:
Qualification seems to be problematic from a spectators point of view – it is boring to watch. It seems to everyone a solution to F1. But fixing this, will it really improve the racing? The one engine per weekend rule is also causing concern; M Brundle: “ …this is not what Formula One is all about … teams slowing down with 15 or so laps to go, cruising over the finish line.” He alos siad it was like a Le Mans finish. In other words they stop racing. Parc Ferme - No. |
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I disagree with old style qualifying. Last years I actually found quite good. Friday gained meaning, and gave an indication of 'low fuel' speed. Friday night you wondered who could conquer setups and have the race setup better between friday and saturday, then saturday night you'd be thinking, who has what fuel?
Personally though, send out 4 cars at a time, starting in the bottom 4, give each quad 10 minutes, and in that time cars have to qualify. The cars can do as many laps as they want, they can roll out from pits when the time starts. The cars must complete their laps within 10 minutes. Parc Ferme rules, a car can pit within the 10 minutes but if it is touched, it loses all qualifying times to date. I figure this gets rid of a large amount of traffic problems (the major problem with old rules), puts the cars into lots of four of similar speed, forces cars to be out, gives an 'advertiser break' as the cars come back in and the next lot of cars prepare. The teams can tinker with setup if they're quick, and allows drivers to build up to fast times. If they see someone else post a faster time, they may just want to try again. |
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Get rid of the first session.
Have the old 60min quals, giving drivers max 3 runs. However, the twist being that the first 5 drivers in the previous race are given 30mins of qual time, the 6-10th driver given 40mins, 11-15th given 50mins, and the 16-20th being given full 60mins quals. No engines would be allowed to change, so drivers won't push for too many qual laps to save engine.. |
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How come such highly paid suposedly inteligent people can get it so wrong, the FIA have shot them selves in the foot again.
One of the First rules of motor racing is "only change one thing at a time" but no they turn qualifying into a two hour marathon, change the engine rules and areodynamics all at once, the smaller teams can't react as quickly as the the front runners, and the best funded team as yet anothr advantage. |
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One thing i particularly dislike is the FIA and F1's tendency for knee-jerk reactions to problems.
2002, Ferrari dominated and FIA/F1 immediately launch a whole list (some pretty stupid) of new rules/regulations to close up competition. Now, they think up of a new qualifying format, yet just because the first time it looks boring, they are scramble to have it scraped. If they have the guts to make changes, have the guts to stick to their choices and evaluate them properly and come up with proper new solutions, jumping from one **** idea to another is silly |
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There are some interesting ideas here. Pheonix1's system sounds good, as does Gt_R's, although I'd be tempted to refine it away from being the previous race finishing position giving extra time, because that could be open to abuse (eg the guy running 9th near the end slowing so as to finish 11th and get the extra 10 minutes).
I quite liked the 2003 system, but this year's is a sdisaster for so many reasons. Few TV companies will want to give 2 hours of peak time to it (ITV now have a Coronation Street omnibus on saturday afternoons....), it'd be confusing to only show the second hour, potential new fans could be bored by it. Also, the new system unintentionally advantages the bigger teams, and has several loopholes, especailyl if conditions are improvign during session one - you could see cars trying to be as slow as posisble (and so get out later in session 2) |
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