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LMP Future Regulations (was Le Mans EVO rules - now hypercar rules)
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Im getting pretty confused with these "new" EVO rules which was going to rule in 2010! Are they thrown in the bin, are they "on hold", or are they going to count in 2010?. I've tried to read about it here on Ten-Tenths but also on other forums, and im just confused, so if someone just could say whats counting i would be happy! |
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The EVO rules are in a constant state of evolution
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dont think the new rules are 'EVO' just new rules all together.
EVO meanin an evolution of the current LMP1 rules. The 2010 rule changes should be out in October this year. a very general out line was released during the LM24 at the ACO press conference. |
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Evo regs are a variation on current P1 regs for manufactuers who would prefare a look closer to a road car.
The aero hit a P1 Evo car would take over a regular P1, with no pretense to looking like a roadcar, will be compensated by restrictor/weight etc. breaks. |
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I think Audi is the only manufacturer to prefer open top prototypes, although they don't have any roadcar looking anything close to that
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All the essential info that came out from the press conference is here:
http://www.planetlemans.com/2008/06/...ss-conference/ http://www.endurance-info.com/article.php?sid=5797 (crappy Google translation) |
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I read that the maximum temperature in the cockpit will be 32 degrees. Isn't it 25 at the moment? Why will ACO raise the temperature?
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Speculations of the new rules starting up again?
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Is it realistic that the new rules will demand Gt looking cars for P1?, because i don't think the top Prototype class should be shut down!
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Now I appreciate these are lessons from 30 years ago, and I'm sure things have moved on considerably (I'm much more a historian than aerodynamacist!) but I imagine some of these principles will remain the same. |
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Think Mercedes CLR, that's the best guess so far. |
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LMP1 LMP2 GT1 GT2 any new "evo' p1 cars would be in the LMP1 class, not a seperate Evo class IIRC "-- The possibility of choosing between prototype closed and open prototype is maintained, but (because there is a but), the COA would like to have a real diversity, "the cars look different and not just by their design" says Daniel Poissenot. As a result, in collaboration with Gordon Murray, a new definition body will even days in 2010, with a wider cockpit, knowing that cars today are still permitted. This regulation will be unveiled in November. "The current cars and the new car will be balanced," said Daniel Poissenot, and it brings several questions: between diesel engines, Essence "traditional competition," Essence "GT" Hybrid and the different bodies, LMP1 current and future LMP2010 , How to get a good equivalence? The mission promises to be complicated for a settlement that presents itself as the map: failing to agree on a settlement, we try to please everyone with adjustments (engine or bodywork)." Last edited by AU N EGL; 25 Jun 2008 at 19:34. |
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LMP1 ( evo folded into this class) LMP2 GT1 GT2 with the GT clasess based on engine size and HP. The EVO or LMP2010 rules cars will be racing with the current LMP1 cars, not in their own class. |
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That sounds just right... The current Spa track requires a rather high downforce setup, and that is where Audi was at the top along with Peugeot in qualifying (both Audi and Peugeot in the 1:58s), while at the very high speed-oriented Le Mans track Peugeot were 5 seconds faster than Audi in 2008. And also looking back at the (approximately recent) history of Le Mans, it's quite obvious that neither closed or open tops necessarily had overall lap advantage because they were open or closed, but the coupes did reach higher top speeds (for example, Bentley in 2001 and 2002 as opposed to Audi or Toyota, Mercedes and Audi coupe vs. BMW and Audi R8R in '99) and the open tops had more corner speed. I guess the best example is that of the 1999 Audis, when the R8R went 8 seconds faster than the R8C over a qualifying lap, but, attention, while doing 335 km/h on the Mulsanne as opposed to 349 km/h ( ![]() Last edited by sssssssss; 25 Jun 2008 at 21:48. |
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There's a rumour of an R8 GT2 car, plus another rumour of an LMP1 Evo with R8 styling cues. I'd say it's 90% certain Audi will remain in LMP1, but they may see an opening to expand into GT2, who knows, longer term maybe with a diesel variation, it would seem the logical next step. LMP1 Evo isn't a road car class, it's similar to LMP1 but, as far as we are aware, will have different dimensions for the bodywork, i.e wider cockpits. The theory goes this will allow manufactuers to produce full LMP1 prototypes, but with road car styling cues, which apparently appeals to Aston Martin and GM. Other manufactuers may well stick with current LMP1 cars, who knows. As for class structure, again who knows, right now I'd say:- LMP1 (current and Evo cars) LMP2 GT (single class based on GT2) Last edited by JAG; 25 Jun 2008 at 23:25. |
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