Jacques Villeneuve and Craig Pollock corruption

kukuciau · 15 Apr 2001, 15:58 (Ref:80799)

The anti corruption agency should really look hard into this matter. This is getting too much.

Imagine this, a Managing Director of a company awards a huge contract to someone. And the guy who got the contract happens to be the Managing Director's friend, and thats the only reason he got the contract. And the guy awarded of the contract underperform badly. There is surely some form of corruption going on to suckle the company's money.

The same thing happen in BAR. Craig Pollock and JV are good friends. So Craig Pollock convinced BAT that this is the guy to do the job and the amount of money required to get the job done .i.e JV's huge salary. JV is really underperforming. Why don't someone from BAR look seriously into this matter and lodge a report to the anti corruption agency? They can tape the phone conversation between JV and Craig Pollock to get evidence of corruption.

angst · 15 Apr 2001, 16:18 (Ref:80809)

Let me get this straight. If a managing director with no track record in the field he is taking part in pays a huge sum of money to an employee who has a great track record in hat field and the company fails to produce the results the employee was lead to believe would be there I don't see that there is an argument for corruption here. What a load of tosh.
And given the fact that this is a sport we are talking about I think the huge amount of money that Villeneuve is being paid is scant reward for the damage that his sojourn at BAR has done to his reputation (at least in some quarters). Villeneuve has done his bit, BAR have underperformed (I don't see a great list of results for Zonta or Panis to compare adversly with Villeneuve, and I think you'll find that Pollock and the rest of the staff at BAR would agree with that) not Villeneuve.

Handle · 15 Apr 2001, 16:27 (Ref:80813)

Really now, that's going too far.

I'm sorry, but I believe that the content of your post has not been well thought out at all. Jacques Villeneuve is a former WDC... how many of those are there on the grid today? Not many, in fact, two others. And what are the other two being paid? I don't think many will find Villeneuve's pay to be exorbitant.

And how is there corruption? I can't see it at all. Is it corruption when the Board of Directors of a company decide to pay the CEO $10 million, if the CEO has (god forbid)friends on the BOD? Do you think that Pollock could pay Villeneuve $150 million dollars without the Board of Directors of BAR saying something? Clearly Pollock was doing what he thought was best for the team, and the team's financial backers obviously OK'd the deal.

Yet you claim the company's money is being "suckled" even though they authorized this. I really cannot understand your logic.

Furthermore, I can't call Villeneuve's performance terrible when it's always the car that's letting him down. His retirements due to technical problems normally came when he was rapidly improving his position while in the points.

This Villeneuve bashing is going way too far. If people can't think of anything relevant to say, simply don't say it at all.

RT · 15 Apr 2001, 17:57 (Ref:80834)

I don't think there is corruption. I think there is a case of crass commercialism that may have done it for JV's reputation and career. Pollock seems to have done financially just fine out of creating the "NASDAQ" of F1 at the expense of a promising career.

I'm not a JV fan but I agree that he has talent. He may do much better at Benetton/Renault once the engine problems sort themselves out in time. The bad thing for JV is Pains. O.P. has been very underrated for all of his career and now he's showing how good he is. JV needs to find those exra tenths of a second and clearly prove he's the team # 1 driver. If he fails, then it may be time for him to quit.

TeddyG · 15 Apr 2001, 19:02 (Ref:80852)

I'm not going to say what I really want to here because I think I got myself into a bit of trouble with this same poster in another thread. But I will simply agree with the rest of the posters here and also like to add, Please think your thoughts through before you post something!

AlteredGrizz · 15 Apr 2001, 19:14 (Ref:80860)

All I get from kakaciau thread, is that he hates Jacques , with a passion I may add.

ganda123 · 15 Apr 2001, 19:41 (Ref:80870)

I'm sorry but it makes me mad when you write JV off like this. The BAR obviously doesn't suit his driving style (like the Benetton doesn't suit JB's at the mo) and rather than changing a WDC winning style it is better to make the car work properly for him before the results start coming in. Just you wait and things will turn around - if they don't JV will be off to another team. He's not my favourite driver by any means but I know he's good and his patience with BAR is admirable.

Valve Bounce · 15 Apr 2001, 20:54 (Ref:80885)

This must be the second silliest thread I have ever read n this forum

senna12 · 15 Apr 2001, 21:13 (Ref:80892)

I agree. Jacques can't be blamed for the poor performance of the car. The chassis appears to be junk, and even Panis, a noted development driver, can't help the situation. Jacques has invested his reputation on promises that haven't been kept, and Craig Pollock or not, he will be gone next year if it doesn't get better soon. A couple of races with TC should give an indication of the future.
Jacques is NOT the problem at BAR.

Run Free · 15 Apr 2001, 21:27 (Ref:80894)

I agree, kukuciau's post is really silly (ok, I'd have used a worse word). Not that the others of him are better...

Without Jacques Bar should have achieved NOTHING at all.
JV is a former world champion and most of the points the team collected last year were due to him, his skill and his consistency on an underperforming car. Zonta did less that nothing and remember that Panis was always way behind Jacques in all the four races of the season when Jacques had troubles. He's a very good driver, but Jacques is another class for sure. And the car this year is slower than ever even with the contribution of Panis. The only (but very heavy) problem at bar is their political internal struggles.

Kukuciau, I wonder what a person like you is doing here.

TimD · 15 Apr 2001, 21:44 (Ref:80900)

I profoundly hope that no BAR lawyer reads this thread.

Tristan · 15 Apr 2001, 21:47 (Ref:80902)

Valve: what was the first just out of interest??
kuk: tripe.

Valve Bounce · 15 Apr 2001, 22:38 (Ref:80930)

Quote:

Originally posted by Tristan
Valve: what was the first just out of interest??
kuk: tripe.

I can't remember if it was kuk or dancing machine. It was posted last week, and I just don't have the patience to look at it again. I did say it was the silliest. I think it was something about Ralf and the Williams.
I watched the BAR of Panis, and it was really difficult to drive, and it got worse as the race progressed.
I think it has to do with the front wing - cars which haven't got the design right seem to get massive understeer and tyre degradation. It is a real shame about the two BAR cars, because they were in the points at some stage of the race. The solution is very simple really - just copy the Ferrari front wing. (or Williams, or McLaren)

AlteredGrizz · 15 Apr 2001, 23:03 (Ref:80934)

Or get rid of the Reynard chassis!!! That will hekp BAR for sure!

RussianFriend · 16 Apr 2001, 08:30 (Ref:81056)

kukuciau has put it upside down.

Not JV has a well-paid seat in the team because of his freinship, but Creig should thank JV for his CEO-position. Has he kept this snug lob with his team results if JV hadn't came to the defence? Never!!!!

kukuciau · 16 Apr 2001, 14:04 (Ref:81149)

hey guys......don't let your emotion rule, we have to think logically. I am sure this is not nice for Jacques Villenuece fans.

ok, lets be rational, if you do follow all the famous cases of the world, the only way to catch the crook is to have a very creative and imaginative theory, the theory which is not overruled by emotion and biasness. Thats what i am doing now. Being rational i am not going to say that there is 100% chances of corruption going on, BUT... if you look at it from the angle that i see it, it is very possible.

Now,...what i need now is to have someone without any trace of biasness to support my view and further discuss about it further
My 2 simple question:
1. Will Jacques Villenueve get such a high pay if Pollock is not around in BAR?
2. Anyone in the paddock who doesn't think that JV is overpaid????????

kukuciau · 16 Apr 2001, 14:10 (Ref:81153)

Quote:

Originally posted by TimD
I profoundly hope that no BAR lawyer reads this thread.

i couldn't agree with you more TimD. Things are funny, my theory could really cause alot of trouble in BAR.

KC · 16 Apr 2001, 14:54 (Ref:81167)

Here is the one aspect of Jacques Villeneuve's contract with BAR that seems to be overlooked. JV invested money in the start up of the team. He has essentially purchased a stake in BAR. Sure their is collusion with JV being there at BAR, but it is not some illegal concpiracy. Would you say the same thing about Michael Schumacher requiring Ross Brawn to engineer Ferrari? Of course not.

TeddyG · 16 Apr 2001, 15:00 (Ref:81169)

My god!! Can someone please stop the kucuciau insanity please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AlteredGrizz · 16 Apr 2001, 17:51 (Ref:81198)

Well Kokokachu or whatever your name is..
Jacques is underpaid to drive that piece of **** Reynard chassis, and I,m sure any of the top teams would pay MORE to have him.
Just because he's having bad luck so far you don't have to blame his salary for it!!!

Run Free · 17 Apr 2001, 13:02 (Ref:81548)

Quote:

Originally posted by kukuciau
1. Will Jacques Villenueve get such a high pay if Pollock is not around in BAR?
2. Anyone in the paddock who doesn't think that JV is overpaid????????

Kukuciau, YOU are not rational.
Last year Renault offered to Villeneuve much more money to have him at Benetton. So, your point is less than rational.
BTW, JV is one of the three WC in f1. They are ALL payed big money. Why the hell aren't you saying that Hakkinen is payed too much, as he is totally out of the game?

kukuciau · 17 Apr 2001, 14:09 (Ref:81571)

well......when you compare Jacques talent and Mika's talents, you can definitely say that Mika is really underpaid!!!!!!

Just look at JV,......he can't drive in the wet condition, is that what you call a real World Champion??...his driving skills in relation to his pay is absurb, plain ridiculous.

oh come people, don't be blinded by your love for your hero

angst · 17 Apr 2001, 14:57 (Ref:81585)

Kukuciau - he is a real World Champion, so yes that is what I call a real World Champion. Do you have a personal grudge against him?

Run Free · 17 Apr 2001, 16:08 (Ref:81598)

Kukuciau, your arguments are not arguments, they're just pure bashing.
You've entered this forum only and exclusively for bashing Villeneuve, and is a very singular coincidence you entered just now, isn't it?

If you're not able to discuss about f1 but only to bash Jacques and to post disgusting thread about Herbert's accident, please, leave this forum and let us discuss as we are used. OK?

TeddyG · 17 Apr 2001, 18:11 (Ref:81651)

I agree. I am getting a little tired of having to defend JV from all of your redickulous JV hating posts. We pride ourselves on having a respectable forum where people can discuss RATIONALLY their thoughts about F1 and drivers. If we have a problem with a driver we back it up with a VALID reason not something made up in the back our minds just to bash that driver over and over again.
If you just want to bash drivers with no real reason behind it then maybe this isn't the forum for you.

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