A blow-engine button... is it possible?

freud · 23 May 2002, 04:20 (Ref:293161)

We keep hearing from many people about possibility of 'blow-up engine' buttons on drivers cars these days so that teams can control the point situation.

My question to all technical gurus here. Is this a possibilty... E.g. Can Ferrari give control of such a button to Ross Brawn's hands so that he can blow up Ruben's engine (just in case Michael's win is needed).

Thanks

Red · 23 May 2002, 04:52 (Ref:293169)

Yes. It is also possible to fly to Alpha Centauri. But that's not probable. (unless of course your're is A.E. van Vogt or keen to "technicaly manage" electric racing cars in Luna Park)

Jukebox · 23 May 2002, 04:55 (Ref:293173)

Just to humor this thread, there's this two way telemetry in which most parts of the car can be controlled from the pits.

LOL red

freud · 23 May 2002, 04:57 (Ref:293174)

what i mean is some remote control by which a driver's speed can be reduced... Sorry if the idea seems bad but a team might resort to such means to control rac results.

Red · 23 May 2002, 05:00 (Ref:293176)

Freud, I believe that Jukebox already gave you an answer. But try to use a little reasoning here: that little device (perfectly legal) existed before, it is called radio. What's the point for another one?

freud · 23 May 2002, 05:04 (Ref:293177)

Do you seriously think Ferrari can use the radio second time?

Jukebox · 23 May 2002, 05:07 (Ref:293178)

The theory of Ferrari having this button to self destruct the engine is such a joke....anyway back to your question.

The data acquisition (telemetry) software can control the revs, speed, brake/engine temperature, brake balance, suspension movements, ride height, pedal movements and can change the datas on the car's ECU.

freud · 23 May 2002, 05:10 (Ref:293179)

Oh I see.. Now the signature is 'Ferrari forever'.. LOL

Red · 23 May 2002, 05:19 (Ref:293182)

Quote:

Originally posted by freud
Do you seriously think Ferrari can use the radio second time?

Yes. If the situation requires. But feel free to chase the second gunman on the grassy knoll.

Jukebox · 23 May 2002, 05:19 (Ref:293183)

Yes..been changin the signature for almost 5 times already, anythin special that interests you on the previous one?

It humors me a lot though to read such ideas that springs out from those who dislikes Ferrari with such baseless theories and accusations.

freud · 23 May 2002, 05:24 (Ref:293185)

Red.. I wont.

Red · 23 May 2002, 05:30 (Ref:293188)

No problem.

Jukebox · 23 May 2002, 05:31 (Ref:293189)

You see freud...base on the problems that Rubens encountered early in the season. I can only make a conclusion that the team of Engineers, Mechanics and Technicians that were assigned to Rubens car must have fumbled.

But they did a great job once Rubens got his F2002 by being able to get better setups than TGF's team and quite often TGF's car copied Ruben's configurations.

freud · 23 May 2002, 05:37 (Ref:293193)

Oh you really think so... Autosport tells us that Rubens has tested F2002 only a few times compared to a dozen times by Michael.

Jukebox · 23 May 2002, 05:42 (Ref:293196)

That everyone knows and it's not such a big secret. The F2002 was only used in Brazil because there was problems in terms of reliability and Rubens was doing the testing on the F2001 with refined package for the opening season races while TGF is giving feedbacks to the team on the F2002.

Would it make sense to get feedbacks from two main drivers on a car that was not gonna be used on the track on an upcoming race weekend?

It is common sense to split the drivers to obtain more positive feedbacks on two set of cars.

freud · 23 May 2002, 05:48 (Ref:293197)

It is common sense to split the drivers to obtain more positive feedbacks on two set of cars.

How wonderful.. I bet Ferrari would love to hire you in place of Jean Todt?

Jukebox · 23 May 2002, 05:56 (Ref:293200)

Like i said it's all common sense rather than to jump to the gun pointlessly. One thinks better when the mind is at ease rather than being controlled by rage and frustrations.

freud · 23 May 2002, 05:58 (Ref:293202)

Like i said it's all common sense rather than to jump to the gun pointlessly. One thinks better when the mind is at ease rather than being controlled by rage and frustrations.

Oh please dont worry about yourself. I can see that you are doing well and that your mind is at ease. Have fun

Jukebox · 23 May 2002, 06:01 (Ref:293203)

Yeah..you have fun too freud

Glen · 23 May 2002, 09:53 (Ref:293328)

Quote:

Originally posted by Jukebox
The data acquisition (telemetry) software can control the revs, speed, brake/engine temperature, brake balance, suspension movements, ride height, pedal movements and can change the datas on the car's ECU.

A minor clarification - as I understand it electronic control of suspension, steering and braking are no longer possible. It is no longer legal to have anything other than sensors on these areas - no feedback/control is permitted. Electronic control applies to engine and transmission only - so... they could chnge the rev limit, engine mapping (lean-running, power delivery characteristic), transmission settings (diff control, gear-change points, per-programmed gear sequences). Pretty sure that brake balance is manually effected from inside the car, no computer conrol of that either, since that could enable partial anti-lock by switching brake balance away from a locking wheel. Brake balance only adjustable front to back also - no selective braking side-to-side which is similar to the Mclaren third pedal arrangement - now banned.

f1manoz · 23 May 2002, 10:00 (Ref:293336)

I enjoy a good conspiracy theory as much as the next person, but aren't we stretching the realms of reality with this one?

f1truestory · 23 May 2002, 10:28 (Ref:293365)

Quote:

possibility of 'blow-up engine' buttons on drivers cars

Nah, i dont think so, but because of two way telemetry, teams can now hacked into other team and change their setting of engine. e.g max. revs..............therefore engine will blow up.......

Nicholas · 23 May 2002, 10:33 (Ref:293369)

There is an engine "kill" switch on the steering wheel, I read about it in an article from two years ago when someone testing during 2000 pressed it by accident. Don't know if there is one in the pits though...

Red · 23 May 2002, 10:40 (Ref:293373)

Well, there are actually 2 buttons. One to put the gearbox into neutral and another to cut the electric power off. Plus another 2 for the marshalls in case of an accident and if the driver is unconscious. They're both clearly and visible marked with "N" and "E".

Why would you want to control that from the pits?

**Peter Mallett** · 23 May 2002, 11:01 (Ref:293384)

The "kill switch" is actually the ignition cut-out switch and all cars must have it before they can race. It only "kills" the engine if its activated inadvertantly by the driver. It's a safety feature.

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