[WEC] Porsche Prototype Discussion

[vincegail]

Almost got a heart attaque reading that abbreviation....

[MyNameIsNigel]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Didn't they abbreviate the direct injection system on the RS Spyder in late 2008 as DFI? Then TDFI would be a logical turbocharged variant of that.

Originally Posted by CTD

http://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutpors...fuelinjection/
It is Turbo-DFI

That's the most logical explanation indeed.

[deggis]

Originally Posted by deggis

http://www.porsche.com/microsite/mis...staende_en.mp4

Engine dyno sound after 2:20.

[gwyllion]

In http://www.porsche.com/microsite/mis...tanlage_en.mp4 and http://www.porsche.com/microsite/mis...tzinger_en.mp4 Porsche reveals quite a bit about the drive train: rear axle driven by combustion engine and front axle by electric motor(s), high voltage battery for energy storage and a heat energy recovery system.

Judging from this picture the cilinders are arranged in a V layout. So that suggest a V4 turbo.

It is difficult to see the turbo configuration: single or double turbo and exhaust inside V or not?

[MyNameIsNigel]

And on top of this, www.24h-lemans.com speculates about the arrival of Red Bull in Endurance Racing as Porsche sponsor.

Now, the article lacks some serious background information. Who can recall that a VW Touran (!) won the Paris Dakar three times ?

[ger80]

Originally Posted by MyNameIsNigel

And on top of this, www.24h-lemans.com speculates about the arrival of Red Bull in Endurance Racing as Porsche sponsor.

Webber must be scared now that Vettel will follow him

[deggis]

Originally Posted by MyNameIsNigel

And on top of this, www.24h-lemans.com speculates about the arrival of Red Bull in Endurance Racing as Porsche sponsor.

English: http://www.24h-lemans.com/en/news/po...746_12758.html

[CTD]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

In http://www.porsche.com/microsite/mis...tanlage_en.mp4 and http://www.porsche.com/microsite/mis...tzinger_en.mp4 Porsche reveals quite a bit about the drive train: rear axle driven by combustion engine and front axle by electric motor(s), high voltage battery for energy storage and a heat energy recovery system.

Judging from this picture the cilinders are arranged in a V layout. So that suggest a V4 turbo.

It is difficult to see the turbo configuration: single or double turbo and exhaust inside V or not?

Also interesting that it's not a Carbon gearbox, like Audi's, but a "regular one".
To me it looks like a Single Turbo inside the V?

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by ger80

Webber must be scared now that Vettel will follow him

Not really, isn't Dietrich Mateschitz (i.e. the big boss at Red Bull) the only person in the organization with which Webber actually gets along?

[MyNameIsNigel]

Originally Posted by CTD

Also interesting that it's not a Carbon gearbox, like Audi's, but a "regular one".

This being a test rig, I trust that we are not seeing the exact engine and gearbox layout.

[Simmi]

If it comes to pass I'm quite excited about the prospect of Red Bull Porsches.

It's a company that can actually benefit the sport more than endurance racing could ever benefit them.

I just hope if they choose to partner up that they'll activate against it - as there's some cool stuff that can be done with the idea of endurance. Energy drink sponsorship is a no-brainer really.

[ArnageWRC]

I wonder if they are backed by Red Bull they might do what VW have done with their Polo WRC's - and not go for the blue colour, but the company colour - White, with black/ red trim plus the Red Bull logo? In a lot of the mock ups of the Polo, they were the usual blue - until they unveiled in it Monaco in December - and it was white.

Any thoughts?

[CTD]

I would actually rather see Red Bull sponsoring smaller manufactures and teams, as Porsche "don't need" this kind, like smaller teams.
Pescarolo or Rebellion with Red Bull money would be more interesting to me .

But I'm perfectly happy to settle with Porsche Red Bull, if thats all I can get

[Simmi]

Originally Posted by CTD

I would actually rather see Red Bull sponsoring smaller manufactures and teams

I think we all would. But Red Bull aren't a charity unfortunately.

I actually think a big brand coming into sportscar racing is a positive, even if they attach themselves to the biggest team.

IF this all happens I'm sure we'll see a Red Bull chicane on the Mulsanne or some kind of party tent somewhere. They would add an interesting dynamic to the race I think.

Is it still banned in Denmark Mathias?

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by Simmi

IF this all happens I'm sure we'll see a Red Bull chicane on the Mulsanne or some kind of party tent somewhere. They would add an interesting dynamic to the race I think.

Perhaps we could have the Red Bull Ten Tenths Meeting?

Just as long as I don't have to drink any of the foul stuff........

[CTD]

Originally Posted by Simmi

I think we all would. But Red Bull aren't a charity unfortunately.

I actually think a big brand coming into sportscar racing is a positive, even if they attach themselves to the biggest team.

IF this all happens I'm sure we'll see a Red Bull chicane on the Mulsanne or some kind of party tent somewhere. They would add an interesting dynamic to the race I think.

Is it still banned in Denmark Mathias?

Sadly, no charity from Red Bull, although it would suit them .

I expect to cut down on my Energy drink import to Le Mans, and instead get a few handed from a pretty girl or two! Red Bull will surely put it's stamp on the race if they choose to support Porsche.

No, unfortunately not. Red Bull became legal in 2009, with a very damaging effect on children.

[Marcel ten Caat]

Originally Posted by MyNameIsNigel

And on top of this, www.24h-lemans.com speculates about the arrival of Red Bull in Endurance Racing as Porsche sponsor.

Several media, including DSC and Midweek Motorsport, rumoured a Red Bull link back in June after Mark Webber and Neel Jani were confirmed.

Linking Hartley to Porsche as a result of Red Bull support seems bit more strange as they confirmed they had stopped supporting him a couple of years ago. Jani kept doing Red Bull demo runs and tests even when racing for Rebellion - Hartley didn't. Nevertheless he has LMP experience, is fast and has valuable simulator experience (and no, not of the Gran Turismo kind).

[deggis]

I'd like to see that (or any major sponsor) but imho Red Bull driver X + Red Bull driver Y = Red Bull sponsorship is not really substance.

[Pandamasque]

Originally Posted by CTD

I would actually rather see Red Bull sponsoring smaller manufactures and teams, as Porsche "don't need" this kind, like smaller teams.
Pescarolo or Rebellion with Red Bull money would be more interesting to me

+1

Originally Posted by Simmi

I just hope if they choose to partner up that they'll activate against it - as there's some cool stuff that can be done with the idea of endurance. Energy drink sponsorship is a no-brainer really.

Depending on how you look at it. On one hand energy drinks are advertised as something that would help your 'endurance'. On the other hand some say (doctors), energy drinks is the last thing one should use for this purpose. But the real reason energy drinks aren't that prominent in endurance racing is that their target audience doesn't have the attention span sufficient to endure even a BTCC race, and is more suited to drifting, jumping ramps and similar kind of entertainment.

Not so much of a no-brainer. It's just that Red Bull seem to have an established presence everywhere else so they got to endurance racing.

[Richard117]

Originally Posted by deggis

I'd like to see that (or any major sponsor) but imho Red Bull driver X + Red Bull driver Y = Red Bull sponsorship is not really substance.

Don't forget that Mateschitz said that Webber was leaving the Red Bull F1 team but not the Red Bull family. So in my opinion this means that Webber will still get some kind of Red Bull support. Combine that with other VW/Porsche-Red Bull connections and you can conclude that the rumours are based on more then just Red Bull driver X + Red Bull driver Y.

[deggis]

Originally Posted by Richard117

Don't forget that Mateschitz said that Webber was leaving the Red Bull F1 team but not the Red Bull family. So in my opinion this means that Webber will still get some kind of Red Bull support.

Which might mean just a logo on the helmet, a drinking bottle and few PR days.

Combine that with other VW/Porsche-Red Bull connections and you can conclude that the rumours are based on more then just Red Bull driver X + Red Bull driver Y.

Like I said, I'd like to see this happen but in my opinion, if they want to do it, they'll do it regardless of driver/other connections (not sure what VW & WRC has to do with this, completely different sport and catering to different audience/needs). Infact, if Porsche ends up having no title/major sponsor, imho that will be a terrible sign of the state of WEC.

[The Badger]

Red Bull massively sponsor Audi already , in DTM . I'd be surprised if there was no RB sponsorship following Webber .

Other title sponsor will be Mobil .

[carsten66]

Originally Posted by deggis

...Infact, if Porsche ends up having no title/major sponsor, imho that will be a terrible sign of the state of WEC.

Don't agree. Quite honestly why should Porsche share their cars with another brand? It's a well-funded works team with no badly need of money. Do we really like to see a LMP1 Porsche with "Red Bull, "Coke" or "Monster" livery...? That doesn't fit together. I'm not to be stoked.

[Japanese Samurai]

Porsche's drivetrain is revealed.
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/mis...staende_en.mp4

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

Porsche's drivetrain is revealed.
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/mis...staende_en.mp4

Cool. TDFI.