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Old 15 Jun 2015, 21:41 (Ref:3550934)   #26
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I looked at the downloaded presentation but because I cant read french I am not sure about what is allowed in the 'modification boxes' shown. Until we see a complete set of regs it is hard to see much change from the current regulations and areas that can be improved. The sliding scale for weight is a good thing but still a very small window which essentially writes a rule around what is currently happening. I would like to see them open the engine restrictor sizes a bit more though.
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Old 15 Jun 2015, 23:54 (Ref:3550969)   #27
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I looked at the downloaded presentation but because I cant read french
Google translated pages 3 and 5, pretty superficial pointers:

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After the convergence project unfinished GT => advisability of developing the regulations
GTE
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* Make the GTE category GT Premium, cars Top Level of the World GT
* Increased performance
* Reduced costs: increase of the approval period to 3 years
* Drastic reduction of exemptions from the type approval procedures Regulation
less restrictive but more strictly enforced.
* Introduction of a closest possible performance window to improve the BOP
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Establishment of "Box" allowing freedom
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aerodynamics, and thus limit costs
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Old 16 Jun 2015, 00:11 (Ref:3550972)   #28
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This year's LM race and results shows imo we can get rid of GTE/P-Pro and Am and merge them back into one class.

Am drivers that want to compete in their own class can go P2 (which is becoming more restrictive and cheaper to run from 2017 onwards anyway) or go GT3 (and focus on getting skilled at Spa and the Nurburgring before coming back to Le Mans).

The new models will make the merge almost impossible for next year but it could be done in 2017 without too much difficulty (as that is also the year the new P2 rules come into force).
Check out pg. #12 (ancienne=old / nouvelle=new) http://www.24h-lemans.com/wpphpFichi...n-11juin15.pdf






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Old 16 Jun 2015, 00:34 (Ref:3550977)   #29
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This year's LM race and results shows imo we can get rid of GTE/P-Pro and Am and merge them back into one class.
I disagree with this. Some of those AM entries(many)wouldn't be there without the AM drivers.

Who is going to fill those slots? There aren't enough pro entries to take them all up. Just as a point, there were no additional GTE-Pro entries. Three additional GTE-AM entries besides the Riley Viper, and two LMP2 entries made up the reserves list.

So. If all the GTE-AM cars were to become LMP2, we'd have had 36 P2 cars on track this year.
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Old 16 Jun 2015, 00:58 (Ref:3550980)   #30
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Personally I like the split between Pro and Am.

But the rational for merging the class is that amateurs don't need a class of their own...aka not everyone needs to take a trophy home. Some have suggested having a cup for the top amateur driven car, but then that's not much different than what we have now.

At the end of the day, the Am class isn't taking entries away from the Pro class, so I don't see what the big deal is if they are split.
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Old 16 Jun 2015, 01:21 (Ref:3550985)   #31
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Some have suggested having a cup for the top amateur driven car, but then that's not much different than what we have now.
Rationale behind that is that it would be still the one and same class.
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Old 16 Jun 2015, 08:22 (Ref:3551049)   #32
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A comment on one of the Radio Le Mans podcasts about some of the new GTE cars being further along in development than you might think has gotten me wondering. Obviously Ford have the car running, but who else has tires on tarmac? Fiorano seems as leaky as a colander so I think we'd have seen the 488GTB if they'd been testing it out in the open.

Also, how much more advanced is the Ford compared to the Aston? Surely the Vantage is getting a little long in the tooth, despite looking completely badass.
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Old 16 Jun 2015, 08:35 (Ref:3551053)   #33
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Fiorano seems as leaky as a colander so I think we'd have seen the 488GTB if they'd been testing it out in the open.
Don't usually see snaps of anything testing at Fiorano and they could quite easily be testing components in 458 GT2 mules.

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Also, how much more advanced is the Ford compared to the Aston? Surely the Vantage is getting a little long in the tooth, despite looking completely badass.
Guessing the FGTLM would have about half the drag the aero brick Vantage does, that'll probably help.
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Old 16 Jun 2015, 09:06 (Ref:3551064)   #34
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Don't usually see snaps of anything testing at Fiorano and they could quite easily be testing components in 458 GT2 mules.
Fair enough. I was thinking of those shots of a LaFerrari with a big ol' spoiler that were all over the internet a while back.
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Old 16 Jun 2015, 09:41 (Ref:3551070)   #35
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One car in how many to see track time at Fiorano?
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Old 16 Jun 2015, 09:49 (Ref:3551071)   #36
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Old 16 Jun 2015, 10:29 (Ref:3551082)   #37
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The AM class is needed I think. At the end of the day, Am's are the ones footing the bill during harder times, so their continuous presence is very important for the sport. There could however be a more distinctive line between PRO and AM. F ex only silver and bronze rated drivers in AM (one gold is currently allowed iirc), and only gold and platinum in PRO.

No leaked images of the 488? I only found some fan made renders.
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Old 16 Jun 2015, 10:47 (Ref:3551088)   #38
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If we're going to have an Am class, then maybe a better idea would stop Pedro Lamy running around in a factory Aston Martin, for example.
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Old 16 Jun 2015, 11:18 (Ref:3551099)   #39
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I think Am needs to be restricted to purely privateer teams with no works backing, makes a mockery of Am when there's factory cars leading the way.
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Old 16 Jun 2015, 11:58 (Ref:3551116)   #40
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Agree with the last 2 posts. Even Proton runs in AM, which has for many years been more or less a Porsche factory team. Lots of cars currently running in AM should be in PRO.
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Old 16 Jun 2015, 12:07 (Ref:3551120)   #41
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Like you have the "official Audi customer" in GT3.
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I would love to see GT3 and GTE merge together. Unification would have so many plus points.
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3 second pole difference at Silverstone between Blancpain and WEC GTE. Lets just put both in like the old GT1/GT2 days.
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I would love to see GT3 and GTE merge together. Unification would have so many plus points.
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http://www.24h-lemans.com/wpphpFichi...n-11juin15.pdf

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So once there is a truly separate class with a differing speed for GTE or GTP, will GT3 be allowed to race at LeMans and in the WEC?
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So once there is a truly separate class with a differing speed for GTE or GTP, will GT3 be allowed to race at LeMans and in the WEC?
I wonder that too, but since ACO didn't invent GT3 and they can't control it, they probably don't want it there.
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Agree with the last 2 posts. Even Proton runs in AM, which has for many years been more or less a Porsche factory team. Lots of cars currently running in AM should be in PRO.
The drivers determine if a car should be in Pro or Am. Proton's lineup is nowhere near as impressive as it used to be. Same applies to JMW and Larbre.
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The drivers determine if a car should be in Pro or Am. Proton's lineup is nowhere near as impressive as it used to be. Same applies to JMW and Larbre.
Well the car kinda does too doesn't it? Does it not need to be a year old car again? And the argument of counting the team should not go unnoticed. If we truly want to reward amateur drivers and teams at Le Mans, then allowing teams like Aston Martin to enter full factory efforts with an ex-F1 driver/P1 podium finisher should be questioned.
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Cars don't need to be a year old anymore. Essentially what it boils down to is where the money comes from. If an amateur can afford for Aston to run the team, and can afford a Lamy... you're going to see a different looking effort than Team AAI. Really the class shouldn't have non amateurs in it.

I like what PWC does, if an amateur finishes on the pro podium, they get promoted to the pro class. The 98 has dominated this year to the point where you wonder if they're in the right class.
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So once there is a truly separate class with a differing speed for GTE or GTP, will GT3 be allowed to race at LeMans and in the WEC?
This is just a visual on where the performance levels are and where the new 2016 regulations will put them. It is not indicative that GT3 will run in the WEC/ Le Mans. Only that the new rules will put GTE ahead of GT3 in performance.





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