End of the road for Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore - Page 15

chavez · 8 Feb 2019, 23:12 (Ref:3882724)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

GT4 won't be the answer.

The first question that never seems to get asked or answered is does the category want to be manufacturer dependent or not?

Until that is answered I don't see how Supercars can consider moving to any set of regulations.

Casper · 9 Feb 2019, 11:54 (Ref:3882794)

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Originally Posted by chavez

The first question that never seems to get asked or answered is does the category want to be manufacturer dependent or not?

Until that is answered I don't see how Supercars can consider moving to any set of regulations.

It will be interesting to see what happens as class racing seems to be unfashionable these days. A domestic series based on cars sold here would seem to be a very hard road to go down now that the dust has settled on manufacturing in this country. Maybe SC will just whither and die over the next few years but that seems unlikely given the money wrapped up in it and Foxtel will be properly P'd off if that happened. Honestly I can't see where it can go but maybe others might have ideas on that as there is simply no obvious path such as they have/had.

GreenMachine · 9 Feb 2019, 23:28 (Ref:3882870)

Well, they have a couple of options already, with GT3/4 and SF5000.

The 'Mustang' SC will be the real litmus test - how the Falcon fans transfer (or not). It is 'still' a Ford, but the Camaro is not a 'Holden', that will be a bigger ask, not impossible if the Holden fans want to latch on to something that is not a Ford.

Interesting times.

V8 Fireworks · 10 Feb 2019, 08:44 (Ref:3882911)

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Originally Posted by Casper

They had very little interest in what wore a Holden badge prior to the shutting of domestic manufacture either.

"How hard can it be" to produce cars with the reputation of Toyota?

If only Holden and GMC and Chevrolet and Buick and Pontiac and Saturn and Opel and Vauxhall and Cadillac had made world leading 4WDs, had made world leading utilities, had made flawless luxury cars for America's elite, etc over an extended period they to would be in Toyota's position (albeit substituting luxury cars for America's elite instead of luxury cars for Japan's elite).

Unfortunately, one may argue Holden and General Motors (and Ford and Dodge) were only interested in short term profits, not in building their long term reputation. Here: Scotty Kilmer makes the argument of American auto makers putting short-term profit before long-term reputation... Meanwhile, Kilmer gets stuck into GM for their job cuts...

Terry S · 10 Feb 2019, 22:25 (Ref:3883061)

I see that in vehicle sales for January 2019 the Holden Commodore sold only 403 units for the whole month. That's right ONLY 403.....

This begs two questions:
How long will GM support racing with such lousy sales?

Involvement in racing no longer appears to promote sales?

For info the top selling vehicle in January was the Toyota HiLux with 3,951 units......

Umai Naa · 10 Feb 2019, 22:32 (Ref:3883066)

Astra and Colorado are carrying the brand.

bluesport · 11 Feb 2019, 03:20 (Ref:3883100)

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Originally Posted by Terry S

I see that in vehicle sales for January 2019 the Holden Commodore sold only 403 units for the whole month. That's right ONLY 403.....

This begs two questions:
How long will GM support racing with such lousy sales?

Involvement in racing no longer appears to promote sales?

For info the top selling vehicle in January was the Toyota HiLux with 3,951 units......

HiLux isn't what it used to be, they're made in Thailand now, Isuzu is the way to go these days.

Driver TBA · 11 Feb 2019, 03:42 (Ref:3883105)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

HiLux isn't what it used to be, they're made in Thailand now, Isuzu is the way to go these days.

My 2000 Hilux was Thai built, so nothing new.

The Dmax/Mux has built a reputation for reliability since their release 6 years ago. I purchased an LSU Dmax based on that, 8 months ago. Back to back driving of the Ranger and Hilux the Isuzu falls well short sadly.

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bluesport · 11 Feb 2019, 08:17 (Ref:3883146)

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Originally Posted by Driver TBA

My 2000 Hilux was Thai built, so nothing new.

The Dmax/Mux has built a reputation for reliability since their release 6 years ago. I purchased an LSU Dmax based on that, 8 months ago. Back to back driving of the Ranger and Hilux the Isuzu falls well short sadly.

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My mates HiLux needed new discs after 2 years (at his expense), Ranger/BT50 have well known auto transmission failures..........it doesn't matter how good they are on the road if they are not going.

"To finish first, first you have to finish!"

Driver TBA · 11 Feb 2019, 08:35 (Ref:3883148)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

My mates HiLux needed new discs after 2 years (at his expense), Ranger/BT50 have well known auto transmission failures..........it doesn't matter how good they are on the road if they are not going.

"To finish first, first you have to finish!"

At least the autos are slightly cheaper to replace than an engine that's kicked a leg. The lucky owners that escape engine or auto dramas just get ongoing electrical issues....

The Hilux seems okayish other than recent DPF dramas, which is generally short trip related. It's just the ridiculous price tag and up until a month ago. A crap warranty length.

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Mixer · 11 Feb 2019, 16:27 (Ref:3883299)

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Originally Posted by Terry S

I see that in vehicle sales for January 2019 the Holden Commodore sold only 403 units for the whole month. That's right ONLY 403.....

I reckon that is the sum total of Altima sales, and at least Holden has other stuff to sell!

Casper · 12 Feb 2019, 07:07 (Ref:3883459)

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Originally Posted by GreenMachine

Well, they have a couple of options already, with GT3/4 and SF5000.

The 'Mustang' SC will be the real litmus test - how the Falcon fans transfer (or not). It is 'still' a Ford, but the Camaro is not a 'Holden', that will be a bigger ask, not impossible if the Holden fans want to latch on to something that is not a Ford.

Interesting times.

I am never adamant about many things but I am damned sure SF5000 is not going to get the gig. One huge factor in that is the cars are not big enough to support a lot of sponsors signs and if there is another sure thing about motor racing it is a business that needs a bill board to display sponsors who support it.

dsg · 12 Feb 2019, 07:37 (Ref:3883468)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

HiLux isn't what it used to be, they're made in Thailand now, Isuzu is the way to go these days.

The RHD Toyota Hilux, Ford Ranger, Holden Colorado, Nissan Navara, Isuzu D-Max and Mitsubishi Triton are all made in Thailand, and have been for some time now. Basically all of the RHD pickups are. I believe the new RHD Mercedes pickup is/or will also be made in Thailand.

I drive past thousands of them on the backs of trucks headed to the port in Chonburi when I'm over there.

bluesport · 12 Feb 2019, 08:46 (Ref:3883483)

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Originally Posted by dsg

The RHD Toyota Hilux, Ford Ranger, Holden Colorado, Nissan Navara, Isuzu D-Max and Mitsubishi Triton are all made in Thailand, and have been for some time now. Basically all of the RHD pickups are. I believe the new RHD Mercedes pickup is/or will also be made in Thailand.

I drive past thousands of them on the backs of trucks headed to the port in Chonburi when I'm over there.

I was lucky then, I must have one of the last Japanese built MU-X.

V8 Fireworks · 15 Feb 2019, 04:21 (Ref:3884297)

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Originally Posted by Casper

I am never adamant about many things but I am damned sure SF5000 is not going to get the gig. One huge factor in that is the cars are not big enough to support a lot of sponsors signs

They are about the same size as Formula One or Indycar cars, which do just fine at commanding prices for stickers on cars!

SF5000, offering lower costs than Supercars and great performance, has potential as a rival premier category...