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Old 20 Jan 2019, 23:24 (Ref:3877419)   #1
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Where to start in historic special stage rallying?

So I am about to become the owner of a Volvo 66 and I would like to set it up to take part in historic special stage rallies. The main events I have seen are the Roger Albert Clark rally and the British Historic Rally Championship.

However, are these a good place to start out or should I be starting with smaller events? I would really appreciate advice on where to start out and which events to look for. I'm based around Cambridge area.

I will be setting up the car myself and so looking to aim for certain events so that I can then follow the regulations when building the car. Maybe I should build to the full BHRC requirements which should leave all my options open in the future?

Any advice would be much appreciated!
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Old 21 Jan 2019, 08:52 (Ref:3877461)   #2
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I thought most of these daft hobbies started in pubs . . . .

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Old 21 Jan 2019, 10:07 (Ref:3877475)   #3
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From Cambridge it is not very far to this one .
http://www.snettertonstagerally.co.u...SSR19_Regs.pdf

Although there is not an Historic class on this event ,[ some of the smaller rallies do include one] . But just seeing everything that happens during the event will give you an idea how a lot of it works .
So if you have a word with a lot of people there you will probably learn quite a bit .
Bearing in mind that a Historic class car would probably not be competitive against modern open class cars , but it could be that some of the smaller rallies will give you a stepping stone up to getting ready for a full Historic Championship rally .
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Old 21 Jan 2019, 16:18 (Ref:3877541)   #4
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Having been involved in stage rallies which would now be historic (I started in 73 ) but not done any specific historic rallies, other than say Le Jog, which isn't strictly a rally, I'm not sure I can give specific advice, and of course your chosen car is a bit left field in so far as not a mainstream choice.


However, unless you have prior rallying experience, I'd be a little wary of throwing yourself in at the deep end - The Roger Albert in particular is a pretty arduous full-on event, even if not as tough as the RAC rallies of old. I'd look at doing some local rallies to you, maybe even a single venue, even if there isn't a historic class, just to get the hang of how everything works organisationally - even attend a few as a spectator/marshal to get the feel of it.


You haven't mentioned a navigator or service crew - both are pretty essential (the former especially so - says an ex-member of the co-drivers league ) and it may well be worth involving them in any decision process - and of course if they have some prior experience so much the better.


Good luck with it!
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Old 21 Jan 2019, 19:05 (Ref:3877574)   #5
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Check out Blackpalfrey Motor Club, they run rallies around Kent, including 12 car regularity rallies on Sunday mornings, which would be a great place to start.

I did one in a road going XJS a year or so ago, we had a great time and they are a very friendly bunch who will give you lots of help & advice.

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Old 21 Jan 2019, 19:22 (Ref:3877577)   #6
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Could be worth joining Cambridge Car Club who are members of the Anglia Motor Sports Club, a consortium of several well established clubs formed to encourage grass roots motor sport in East Anglia. They have a very good rally section with events that would form an ideal starting point for a beginner.

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Old 22 Jan 2019, 18:50 (Ref:3877769)   #7
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A possible series of rallies to look at might be the BTRDA championship.
http://www.btrdarally.com/

They include Historic classes on their rallies , which are more like a clubmans level of events rather than a National series .
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Thank you for all the replies, puts me in the right direction.

My first start is to build the car up a little, so it looks like if I follow the Motorsport UK regs then I should be fine. If I want to stick to historic stuff then I have to pay attention to R49.

I do have a question regarding roll cages though, is any one ok? (Complying to thicknesses and materials for the regs) or does it need to be certified. How does this all work?

Thanks, I was looking for smaller one day, single venue events to get started with that wouldn't cost the earth to take part.

Cambridge car club and the snetterton rally do look helpful.

BTRDA stuff looks very suitable, didn't seem very expensive and would help me get into what I want to do. Will probably look down that route.

But I guess the first stage is to prepare the car. I need to sort out a roll cage, probably can't really afford a full custom one so would prefer to buy a built one but I don't know what the rules are regarding certificate etc.

Thanks for all the advice, really appreciate it
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Old 25 Jan 2019, 10:22 (Ref:3878494)   #9
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http://www.safetydevices.com/motorsport/technical/

Have a read up of this .
Rules do change , but it used to be that , If the cage complied with the original design & had the correct no. on it , then it was OK for a Historic spec car .

S D should still have details of original , are ,[ I have found ] usually very helpful , & , [ unless they have moved in the last few years ] , only just down the road from Cambridge .
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For info, I have been talking to the coordinator of the MSVR/ MSN Circuit Rally Championship and he may be interested in developing a class within that Championship specifically for Pre 1981 (or similar cut off date TBC) 8 Valve cars. The cars would not need to be to homologated spec but would need to have the OEM engine and induction as originally available within the model range. Think "CSCC type regs" for rallying.

As an example, the ubiquitous Ford Escort would only be eligible for this class with a Crossflow or Pinto engine, and would have to have an H Pattern manual gearbox.

The idea is to encourage participation of older "clubman spec" cars who currently may fall in to the same classes as Millington or Vauxhall engined, sequential gearbox equipped cars!

The original idea was for an Escort only class (a bit like the HRCR Mini Cup) but it is probably better to open things out.

If anyone is interested, please send me a PM with an e-mail contact address.
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