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Old 24 Feb 2017, 17:12 (Ref:3714547)   #2301
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Turkington and Collard will both run BMW colours, the PR said?
That's what I got from it too.

Interesting how Dick said (in a previous interview) he hoped all 3 cars would be run in the same livery in 2018. That would either mean Pirtek leaving, scaling back their requirements to run a fully-Pirtek branded car or upping their involvement to have limited exposure on all 3 cars.
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Old 24 Feb 2017, 17:57 (Ref:3714551)   #2302
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I did too and did a bit of Googling - apparently, GardX was appointed as the official paint and interior protection supplier for BMW in January 2016. Not sure if that deal came about as a result of any BTCC involvement or not.
If you buy a new car from JCT 600 you get offered the GardX and I assume that is why they have backed Sam Tordoff for a few years, back to his Porsche days.
Sam was a BMW Ambassador last year and JCT are big BMW distributors so I guess it all ties up

When it comes to GT racing you have to see the influence of his manager (Tim Sugden) who made a very successful switch to GT in 1997 and has never looked back.
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Old 24 Feb 2017, 20:30 (Ref:3714573)   #2303
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Best livery out of any team for years. Props to BMW and a testament to WSR's exemplary outfit.
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Old 24 Feb 2017, 21:41 (Ref:3714582)   #2304
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The BTCC couldn't be further from how BMW would use their money to promote the brand.
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Old 24 Feb 2017, 21:51 (Ref:3714585)   #2305
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Best livery out of any team for years. Props to BMW and a testament to WSR's exemplary outfit.
Maybe it will look better in the flesh but I'm not convinced yet. Can't put my finger on it but just something not quite right about it.
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Old 24 Feb 2017, 22:31 (Ref:3714590)   #2306
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anyone noticed there still still is a "GardxX" sticker on it ?

and Jordan confirmed he will run under "BMW Pirtek Racing" banner
As he was already with the team when the manufacturer backing arrived, he's hardly going to distance himself. It will be interesting to see what happens at the end of the year, having seen him leave motorbase due to pirtek needing different exposure to the headline sponsor.
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Old 24 Feb 2017, 22:56 (Ref:3714594)   #2307
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As he was already with the team when the manufacturer backing arrived, he's hardly going to distance himself. It will be interesting to see what happens at the end of the year, having seen him leave motorbase due to pirtek needing different exposure to the headline sponsor.
Perhaps the factory backing helped entice him away.
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Old 25 Feb 2017, 07:11 (Ref:3714623)   #2308
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Perhaps the factory backing helped entice him away.
Possibly, it just seems strange that if the factory backing existed at the time of Jordan's signing, I would expect more cross-over between liveries.

The BMW ProtectX cars have no reference to Pirtek or Red Bull, and the Pirtek car only has the 'M' branding that existed previously on the WSR cars, and is different to the part of BMW being promoted on the other two.

To me, everything feels like the BMW entry will be Turkington/Collard, and the Pirtek car will be run in the same way to IHG previously. As Dick Bennetts wants all three cars to be the same in 2018, I still think that is where Pirtek/BMW may have different desires (like Pirtek/Shredded Wheat).

My fear is that we will see Jordan looking for his fifth team in five years.
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Old 25 Feb 2017, 09:13 (Ref:3714645)   #2309
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Why are you stressing out about 2018? Enjoy the upcoming season first!
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Why are you stressing out about 2018? Enjoy the upcoming season first!
I just find it something else that will be intriguing about the 2017 season, watching the dynamic within the WSR squad, whilst knowing that there may be a situation developing for the season end.

On paper 2017 looks to have so much promise, I just hope that certain politics don't get in the way of open racing (in all teams, not just WSR and BMR).
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Old 25 Feb 2017, 11:29 (Ref:3714656)   #2311
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Great news that we have another works team. Just a shame once again that WSR's graphic designer has conjured up another batch of awkward stripes that neither flow with the lines of the car or remain constant across the length ends up looking cheap :/ the mix of colours on the front lip looks silly too in my eyes.

It started with the first eBay livery on the 125 (year two was better) then returned with the IHG livery and GardX (again the second year's versions seems more refined). Just seems rushed.
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I know the guy who designed the questionable Pepsi Max livery on the FPR Falcons in Australia did the 2013 livery, not sure if it is still the case.
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Great news that we have another works team. Just a shame once again that WSR's graphic designer has conjured up another batch of awkward stripes that neither flow with the lines of the car or remain constant across the length ends up looking cheap :/ the mix of colours on the front lip looks silly too in my eyes.

It started with the first eBay livery on the 125 (year two was better) then returned with the IHG livery and GardX (again the second year's versions seems more refined). Just seems rushed.
I feel the same - the livery could have been much better in my opinion, especially where the side/rear stripe meets the door. With the Hondas going black hopefully we'll see some more colourful liveries at media day.
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Old 25 Feb 2017, 12:27 (Ref:3714663)   #2314
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I know the guy who designed the questionable Pepsi Max livery on the FPR Falcons in Australia did the 2013 livery, not sure if it is still the case.
Looks like it was this guy:

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which sounds better ?

Triple Champion Colin Turkington OR
Quadruple champion Gordon Shedden
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Triple Champion Colin Turkington OR
Quadruple champion Gordon Shedden
I think the question should be: which is most likely? I don't gamble, but if I did I would have a flutter on CT.
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Speaking of liveries, my favorite has to be the Vauxhall Cavalier from 1995. I also really like the 1998 entries for Volvo, Nissan and Peugeot. I think when there were a lot of works entries it allowed nice uncluttered, simplistic designs that are naturally going to allow for more attractive liveries.

Great news to see BMW throwing their weight behind WSR, they fully deserve it. I'm hoping this my be an opening of the floodgates if a company like BMW getting involved. Although I'm probably dreaming a bit, it would be great to see the manufacturer involvement we had in the mid 90's, but with a much tighter grip on the rules than was the case back then. If other car companies see BMW making it work, others may follow suit too. Probably getting a bit carried away, but it's nice to dream a little!

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I guess it remains to be seen how much backing Vauxhall are actually giving to PMR, will they have any Vauxhall stickers on the car? However any works efforts should be applauded I guess. I just hope that any mass withdrawals doesn't decimate the field and that it's not a repeat of past rulesets.
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A lot of the circuits were new to Simpson - and of course the car was new as well so he was probably suffering from trying to learn the circuits and dial in the car at the same time. Hopefully the move to Dynamics will help with the car setup side of things and I guess he'll have access to Neal and Sheddens data too so will be able to learn from that.
He had access to Shedden's data last season.
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Speaking of liveries, my favorite has to be the Vauxhall Cavalier from 1995. I also really like the 1998 entries for Volvo, Nissan and Peugeot. I think when there were a lot of works entries it allowed nice uncluttered, simplistic designs that are naturally going to allow for more attractive liveries.

Great news to see BMW throwing their weight behind WSR, they fully deserve it. I'm hoping this my be an opening of the floodgates if a company like BMW getting involved. Although I'm probably dreaming a bit, it would be great to see the manufacturer involvement we had in the mid 90's, but with a much tighter grip on the rules than was the case back then. If other car companies see BMW making it work, others may follow suit too. Probably getting a bit carried away, but it's nice to dream a little!
Team HMSO Cavalier livery worth a mention as a decent livery and an unexpected title sponsor - '95 season my preference with the added aero kit.
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I guess it remains to be seen how much backing Vauxhall are actually giving to PMR, will they have any Vauxhall stickers on the car? However any works efforts should be applauded I guess. I just hope that any mass withdrawals doesn't decimate the field and that it's not a repeat of past rulesets.
Might have Opel stickers on it!
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Reading Nigel Roebuck on Autosport website it sounds as if NASCAR are learning from BTCC and running 3 short races in place of one long one!!! 😀
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Except NASCAR is doing it a ridiculous way to try and save dwindling spectator numbers. Good luck with that I say!
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Except NASCAR is doing it a ridiculous way to try and save dwindling spectator numbers. Good luck with that I say!
Will be very interesting to see how that all plays out!
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