[BTCC] BTCC 2021

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by VXDave

I had always assumed (clearly wrongly) that a manufacturer could only nominate cars from the works run team i.e. BM could nominate any of the WSR cars, but couldn't nominate from another team such as Cicely because they are entered as independents?

To be honest - I had always thought the same.

I am assuming it is connected to who pays the entry fee? That also seems to be reflected in the identity in the table.
Toyota, BMW and Motorbase/Ford.

e.g. - If BMW UK are paying, they may stipulate that their representatives will select which cars are nominated, whereas Motorbase appear to have paid the entry fee, so they are making the nomination?

It became clear to me when I was looking at the results of the second race that Morgan must have been the selection for BMW.

The scores for Race 2 were:
Motorbase/Ford-35
BMW-28
Toyota-13

The finishing order was:
Hill(F), Turkington(B), Oliphant(B), Jelley(B), Jackson(F), Osborne(F), Smelt(T), Morgan(B).

Knowing that the Toyota was the 4th placed car nominated (13pts), then only 3 nominated cars can have finished ahead. Motorbase's points must have come from Hill (20pts) and either Jackson or Osborne (15pts).
The only conclusion is that one of the BMWs was 2nd (17pts), the other 5th (11pts).

Which means, the nominated cars were (other races confirm Turkington):
Hill(20), Turkington(17), Jackson/Osborne(15), Smelt(13), Morgan(11).

[redshoes]

I assume TOCA are counting Motorbase as a single 4-car outfit, albeit with cars entered under different team name, hence they all run as Manufacturers/Constructors entries and can nominate any of the 4 cars. Whereas WSR and Ciceley are different teams with only WSR being a Manufacturer entry, the same as Dynamics and BTC last year.

[CarfanLUFC]

knew Neate had access to a decent amount of funds but to lay 600k on the table just for what is basically to him a hobby is pretty eye watering.

must be doing something right in life

I think my previous racing exploits cost me around z$500.00 a year and that's when Zim had a stable currency

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by redshoes

I assume TOCA are counting Motorbase as a single 4-car outfit, albeit with cars entered under different team name, hence they all run as Manufacturers/Constructors entries and can nominate any of the 4 cars. Whereas WSR and Ciceley are different teams with only WSR being a Manufacturer entry, the same as Dynamics and BTC last year.

I think it is subtly different to that - but really into the weeds of it.

It appears that BMW UK are the 'manufacturer', and can nominate any BMW for the manufacturers' championship.
Motorbase are the 'constructor', and can nominate any car they built for the constructors' championship.

So BMW can select a car driven by Ciceley (which they have done), and Motorbase can select any Focus (which they have done).

Ciceley as a team are a customer, so like BTC are an independent. MB are being run from the Motorbase garage, so not independent.

Previously, I think Honda only nominated cars from the team they backed (Dynamics), regardless of where Dynamics had supplied cars to.

[medius]

I get a feeling we're going to hear something from 777 tomorrow.

[Overboost]

Originally Posted by CarfanLUFC

knew Neate had access to a decent amount of funds but to lay 600k on the table just for what is basically to him a hobby is pretty eye watering.

must be doing something right in life

I think my previous racing exploits cost me around z$500.00 a year and that's when Zim had a stable currency

Andy's built his lighting engineering business back up after going bankrupt previously (hence whole Dynamic's split), he's paid off anyone he owed Motorsport wise and raised enough to come back, so fair play to him in that respect.

A few others who can afford the same sort of level are lucky to have good 'family backing/connections,' or rich daddies

[Steel Wheels]

Originally Posted by medius

I get a feeling we're going to hear something from 777 tomorrow.

Porsche Supercup with Team Parker, not a bad gig to keep him busy this year.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Steel Wheels

Porsche Supercup with Team Parker, not a bad gig to keep him busy this year.

Replacing Josh Webster who's having to stay in the UK due to family illness. Wonder if he would be a candidate for the BTC seat...

[S griffin]

Has Josh Webster driven FWD before?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Has Josh Webster driven FWD before?

I don't think so - but then other than learning some tyre management, it didn't stop Cammish from having success.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by thetool

The constant bashing of someone (Mazepin), who actually has a very solid track record in junior formula leading up to F1, in threads that are nothing to do with Mazepin or F1, is extremely tiresome.

Totally agree with this. The lad has had very little time in F1 cars and is sat in arguably the worst team on the grid by some margin. That he is making mistakes is part of the learning process; if he learns from it he improves. That his team mate is very much a potential winner/ champion adds more pressure on his young shoulders. I say the young man deserves his chance. Irrelevant of my opinion he has financial backing and that makes the wheels go round.

Unspeakable on the other hand can either be passive and do a reasonable job or as has been the case since the middle of last year drive and behave like a teenage with "learning difficulties".

Nikita Mazepin cannot be compared to the dangerous cockwomble in any way, shape or form.

[tux]

Often i wonder. What if they stick Matt Neals kid in the "Cammish" Civic?

[Alfisti]

That thought struck me when Crees departed and in the knowledge that the lad had pulled out of TCR due to another opportunity. Are the two related is something that is rumbling around the back of my mind...

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Replacing Josh Webster who's having to stay in the UK due to family illness. Wonder if he would be a candidate for the BTC seat...

I’d translate “family illness” as not having the usual budget to take to teams.

[medius]

Originally Posted by peebee2

I’d translate “family illness” as not having the usual budget to take to teams.

Very crass comment. His father is seriously seriously unwell (think of a word beginning with T) , Josh isn't racing anything this year solely for the reasons his statement mentions.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by medius

His father is seriously seriously unwell, Josh isn't racing anything this year solely for the reasons his statement mentions.

Didn’t mean to come across as unfeeling but knew sponsorship has come though his Dad’s telecoms work. Clearly hope Mr Webster senior recovers his health.

[Alfisti]

Fingers crossed for Mr W.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

https://youtu.be/DmDywnXM1Vs

[medius]

Paul O'Neil talks to Michael Crees and clears up some previously speculated assumptions.

https://youtu.be/yMKnMsBrRh0

[Robshillito1990]

Seems the moron has changed his story yet again. Now saying he pressed the clutch instead of the brake. Have to be a bit simple not to realise the difference.

[bella]

it is the sort of thing you do in a panic in say, your first driving lesson.

the chap seems to have serious issues admitting he was in the wrong and cocked up. might want to speak to a professional about that - it’s not a good quality to pass on to his children and expect those around him to deal with.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Robshillito1990

Now saying he pressed the clutch instead of the brake. Have to be a bit simple not to realise the difference.

I’m no fan of his at all but that is actually incredibly easy to do.

[Pdh]

Originally Posted by Robshillito1990

Seems the moron has changed his story yet again. Now saying he pressed the clutch instead of the brake. Have to be a bit simple not to realise the difference.

Your only about 3 days late bringing this up

[Robshillito1990]

Originally Posted by Pdh

Your only about 3 days late bringing this up

Only heard about it when I watched Paul oneills video thats why. Still don't buy it. Talks out of his behind.

[steve_r]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Fingers crossed for Mr W.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

https://youtu.be/DmDywnXM1Vs

The guy who put that together needs to take a look at himself. I am not defending Andy Neate, but calling for the banning of a driver on your youtube channel with a tacky joke etc, but the very same youtube channel introduction is a montage of bad crashes . Makes me think that actually the person who put this together is a complete hypocrite. Do they like motorsport for the sport or are they are they just gleefully enjoying the bad accidents?

I could not watch more than a minute before switching off.

[porsche962fan]

cancel culture didn't reach motorsport yet