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Yes I think it's impossible to keep 3 similar series afloat - Aus has 20-odd million people (or 20 million odd people ) so it's a tad easier to find the money over there.
But the NZV8/V8CC merger is a good idea, using TL chassis with updated engines and drivetrain for cost effectiveness. And I hate to say it, but there really isn't a place for the TLX cars in this picture, which I guess would put them rather nicely in GT1, which could make a nice support class. I won't say categorically that it can't happen, but I think it is highly unlikely that we will see any more than the 5 current or under construction TLX cars on the track. |
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Hi FD i think you missed my point. I am not talking about having 3 series, thats just ludicrous. What i am referring to is a third manufacturer coming into the ST series. ST have said all along that they intend for the class to be open to other manufacturers - i guess they can make body panels fit (as they do with the commies and cooners right now), so with a bit of stretching here, and cutting there, they could fit the panels to make it look like an i45, or Optima, whichever they go with. In no way am i implying that we would have 3 separate series, i dont know where you got that impression I see you point about aero parity, but my understanding was most of that parity is achieved by the standard rear wing and the front splitter |
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Ahh sorry i get you now i thought you meant three top tier series. But i am referring to my perfect world (which of course doesn't exist) where we could have tier 1, 2 and 3 as we have the cars here to do it. Silly comment to make on my part to be honest as its just a dream |
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So is there no benefit in having a different panels on the cars, some teams may disagree with that, I believe that slightly different bonnets and boot lids can have a big difference when the cars are so even. Look at the M3 boys getting pinged in the last round for incorrect body work. |
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So there should be 4 new cars coming on board for 2012 does anyone know any of the names?
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Well I remember reading an old article which said the additional license had been sold to the team that ran Scott a guy that ran in the production series from memory he was backed by yahoo in the production series, John penny and international Motorsport but it was so long ago it was before they brought the knight car.
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I heard (Im sure Petch will correct me if Im wrong) 2 are shelled up in Hiyundai bodies and the other 2 are just bare chassis at the moment. All 4 are over in Aussie in Creepys workshop. |
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I can confirm that you are indeed correct with regard to the 21st car. The car, Holden Commodore VE 2, is owned by Michael Ninkranz, and is being assembled in Matamata over the summer break. Car 22 has a fully paid non refundable option on it, and chassis 23 & 24 are currently un-committed, and for sale. Talk of two Hyundai's under build at Pace Innovations is just that, talk, and speculation and as we all know talk is cheap. I can say for a fact that nobody has purchased a Hyundai bodied V8 Supertourer, and that we V8ST have had no discussion's with the Hyundai Motor Company, or Hyundai New Zealand. Having said that we are very open to building a third manufactures V8ST, and we are aware that some of Teams have spoken to other manufacturers, and as always our door is wide open. Mark Petch. Managing Director, V8 Supertourers limited. |
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Thanks Mark. Anyone know if McIntyre has made progress on selling his second car?
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Heard the new schedule is out for the class sound like no manfield
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Not much turn around if someone has a opps so one less if not more. Could work but if a incident occurs then those guys would need spare parts at the ready, which i have heard is not much is in the supertouerer truck. |
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Understand it's going to be REALLY full on for the teams, but as a spectator I think it's a BRILLIANT idea!!!
Finally someone is looking at 'value' in terms of how much bang for buck spectators get in terms of time invested... Spending an entire Sunday at the track to see the main attraction on track twice ain't good value (no matter how cheap it is).... |
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I do not think it is possible to run three sprint races, plus qualifying on
the same day. A maximum for a day in my way of thinking would be three sprint races total, to successfully fill a day of ST racing. I know there is not the same amount of suspension changes etc now with the ST's, not like to old NZV8's. I thought that the serious thinking was to have as little changes as possible, to enable teams to reduce the number of people that are actually required to service these cars. If you are going to fill the days to this extent, then teams will have to again increase the overheads. Maybe it might be worth a re think Mark, I don't think the teams will be interested in an over filled race day as you are suggesting. If a team has car damage or has mechanical issues, then the time available to them to repair and turn that car around for the next race would be impossible. I also hope that SuperTourier has implemented a better stock control system on the parts truck for this coming season. There needs to be a minimum stock level arrived at, so parts are readily and continuously available when the teams need them. |
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It can be done easily I reckon. We took our car along to a one dayer at HD and all seven or it might have even been eight classes managed qualifying and three races on one day. V8ST programm not really too far different other than the races for the ST cars are longer. Fill Saturday up with qually and one race for the support classes and you'll do it easily, and have plenty of time for STs. Feel for these guys, one minute they are being bagged for having a gap on Sunday's programme, the next they are bagged for trying to fill it. lol.
Sounds good Mark, good classes, good programme and plenty on Sunday. It's a shame about Manfeild. And Ruapuna if they are not on the calendar, but I suspect in their case it is simply a question of economics on the part of ST. I heard on the grapevine that Ruapuna want nearly $100,000 hire for the circuit for the weekend (This came from a CCC member so not sure whether it is correct) and to me that seems completely out of kilter in regards to where the economic climate is. Price yourself out of the market and the business will go elsewhere - that's a rudimentary rule of macro economics. |
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I am not going to get into a debate on this or any other forum, however, what i will say is that the team owners want to reduce cost as much as possible, and by and large the changes we have made, offer the best bang for buck for the paying spectators, and at one and the same time, reduce cost's to the team's, so it's a true win/win situation. Travel and accommodation are very significant cost's as is circuit hire, so we must cut our cloth to suit, unlike AV8SC we have no local government subsidies, so every dollar spent has to be in the best interest's of our Teams, and our collective sponsors, who all want "free to air" same day television coverage. Mark Petch. Managing Director, V8 Supertourers Limited. |
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Running a one day meeting at Hampton Downs but with no frills, costs about $12,000 a day, so paying out $100,000 for a weekend seems a bit over the top. |
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