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Old 9 Feb 2018, 01:17 (Ref:3799749)   #76
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so we both have events where it runs and it doesnt. thus its is not compulsory

Can you explain why it is vital to future of the 12 hour? you didnt give any real reasoning.

It ceratinaly has no history of being vital to the 12 hour. Just 2 years ago (2016 race) there was no Gt4 Class running
Where is the suggestion that it or anything else is compulsory?

Why is GT4 vital for the future of the Bathurst 12 Hour? GT4 is the succession plan for GT3 racing and the Bathurst 12 Hour.

The event due to its geographic distance can not rely on GT3 to provide a grid long term. It is widely anticipated that due to costs GT3 numbers will slowly reduce worldwide and GT4 will become the focus of both participants and manufacturers.

Do you not believe in or value succession planning Peckstar?
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Old 9 Feb 2018, 02:05 (Ref:3799757)   #77
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The Mustang GT4 is built by Multimatic by the given graces of FoMoCo.

Alternative tuners cannot simply build a GT4 car from road cars without prior approval from the OEM.

Mobs like Ekris, Prospeed et al have built their GT4 cars ahead of many factory customer sports divisions efforts (Audi Sport, AMG Customer sports etc.), but it is unlikely they will ever be able to build up a GT4 car from the same brand again once the manufacturer gets involved themselves.

This occurred in GT3. Reiter can not build Lambo GT3's off the latest model (Huracan) as that was moved in-house - so the R-EX (Gallardo) is them extracting the most from their licence agreement.

With this in play, Tickford can not built an alternative GT4 Mustang, as the FoMoCo licence agreement is with Multimatic only.

Thus the price tag for the GT4 car (whilst prohibitive) is set - complete with the market monopolisation in mind.

This is why small bespoke race car brands, such as the Reiter KTM, Ginetta and Sin - continue to be relevant.
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Old 9 Feb 2018, 04:26 (Ref:3799775)   #78
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One only needs to look at the Sepang 12hr as the reason why the Bathurst 12hr should never become a one-class GT3 only event
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One only needs to look at the Sepang 12hr as the reason why the Bathurst 12hr should never become a one-class GT3 only event
You might want to research that more. Sepang is an example of what ahppens when you introduce Gt4

No one has ever suggested that it should become a one class event. the discusion is getting rid of the Gt4 class. We ahev got rid of classes before from the 12 hour. We have been able to move on. No one sat back in the 12 hour thread and mentioned how they missed the BMW or the production classes
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Old 9 Feb 2018, 06:10 (Ref:3799780)   #80
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GT4 races with gt3 in blancpain Asia as well.

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Old 9 Feb 2018, 06:39 (Ref:3799783)   #81
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You might want to research that more. Sepang is an example of what ahppens when you introduce Gt4

No one has ever suggested that it should become a one class event. the discusion is getting rid of the Gt4 class. We ahev got rid of classes before from the 12 hour. We have been able to move on. No one sat back in the 12 hour thread and mentioned how they missed the BMW or the production classes
I'm interested in what is supposedly to be gained by dropping GT4 from the event?
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I'm interested in what is supposedly to be gained by dropping GT4 from the event?
then you should read my posts.

Ive already said it.
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then you should read my posts.

Ive already said it.
The point of a multiclass race is you'll keep classes of entries from year to year if one of the classes implodes due to runaway escalating costs (GT3 has been on the verge of that for at least 1-2 years now and is still walking a hazardous tightrope). And it's better that, if you have a global class that's poised to take over when that happens, you ENCOURAGE entries from that class, not ban them. As almost everyone above me has already said.
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Is a pro-am and pro-pro GT3 entry not the makings of a class-based race?
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Old 9 Feb 2018, 07:30 (Ref:3799797)   #85
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Is a pro-am and pro-pro GT3 entry not the makings of a class-based race?
On the basis that they are given awards as separate classes and shown in live timing / tv race updates /results as separate classes its hard to argue against that they form part of a class based race.
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Old 9 Feb 2018, 10:22 (Ref:3799828)   #86
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The point of a multiclass race is you'll keep classes of entries from year to year if one of the classes implodes due to runaway escalating costs (GT3 has been on the verge of that for at least 1-2 years now and is still walking a hazardous tightrope). And it's better that, if you have a global class that's poised to take over when that happens, you ENCOURAGE entries from that class, not ban them. As almost everyone above me has already said.
No No, thats not the point of multiclass racing at all, at most thats 1% of the point of multi class racing.

However No one is suggesting not having multiclass racing. Only as a strawman.

the suggesting is to not have GT4.

Sepang had multiclass racing including Gt4, It didnt go ahead, so it failed the theory you provided.

If gt4 was introduced for the reasoning you said, then after over ten years it would have taken over, but it hasnt and so that theory is weak sorry

the evidence that Gt3 is failing is not overly great, yes in certain places it
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Is a pro-am and pro-pro GT3 entry not the makings of a class-based race?
and Am, so we effectively had six classes this year, officially 4 and one class ahd 3 sub classes. On the timing sheets though six categories are mentioned

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Old 9 Feb 2018, 11:49 (Ref:3799860)   #88
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Anyone whinging about GT4 cars is obviously trying very hard to have a whinge for the sake of it.

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Is a pro-am and pro-pro GT3 entry not the makings of a class-based race?
Given they are all the same cars and the only thing that puts them in seperate "classes" is the choice of driver, then the answer is no, of course it doesn't make a class race. Did anyone ever claim privateers were their own separate class in the Bathurst 1000 back in the day?
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Old 9 Feb 2018, 20:25 (Ref:3800084)   #89
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Yes, the promotors and commentators.

They even had their own control tyre for a couple of years.
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Yes, the promotors and commentators.

They even had their own control tyre for a couple of years.
When the specs of the actual cars are the same, splitting them up into Pros and Ams, or Privateers and Professionals, does not make it class racing.

Class racing is about big cars and little cars, managing traffic with the slower cars etc etc
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