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Old 19 Feb 2013, 09:12 (Ref:3207157)   #1
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Veggie Group A or V8 Supercars? (Merged)

I seen one clip of this series and almost felt asleep watching the slowmoblies going round the track, (except Bathurst) I mean I couldve drove my car on the grid and and kept up with the pack. so many times in history the media seem to portray that this was the REAL DRIVERS championship and only the best could be in it. (just like any other series) I dunno bout you guys but although the cars wouldnt of been easy to drive, I still think it was just a sunday drive sort of series, and these Legends were quite some age, so maybe they wouldnt of been as quick when they were younger,so maybe that would've made it seem like they werent going fast? or because the cars were closer to production?
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Old 19 Feb 2013, 09:34 (Ref:3207173)   #2
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Old 19 Feb 2013, 09:36 (Ref:3207175)   #3
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personally enjoyed group A.

I have found though that once we moved to the V8s the group i take to bathurst increased and now we get a good size group every year. where as under Group A in the end it was just me and for two years I took a rookie mate. Now we get ten or so every year.
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Old 19 Feb 2013, 10:17 (Ref:3207204)   #5
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Ofcourse it's overrated, Jamie Whincup wasn't racing back then!

Slowmobiles? Your beloved Godzilla with all it's 650hp AWD prowess isn't a slowmobile. FML.....
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Old 19 Feb 2013, 10:23 (Ref:3207207)   #6
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Ofcourse it's overrated, Jamie Whincup wasn't racing back then!

Slowmobiles? Your beloved Godzilla with all it's 650hp AWD prowess isn't a slowmobile. FML.....
just saying more hp than a v8 and in theory more traction. but 6 seconds slower than a current v8. I would have to say they were overrated then based on that
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Old 19 Feb 2013, 12:36 (Ref:3207303)   #8
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I think Group A was under rated.

For the only time in it's history, the ATCC and Bathurst 1000 were run to the same rules as the ETCC, BTCC, JTCC , DTM etc. How awesome is that? The whole world singing from the same song sheet, local accents aside. The cars were closely related to what you see in the showrooms and you could compare one model with another. There were different classes, so little cars and big cars were all in together, mixing it up.

It wasn't perfect, the 500 sporting evolutions rule was a rather large loophole and they never figured out how to get parity between turbos and atmos, but i can't think of another flaw.

I'm astounded by the suggestion that they were slow. I recently accepted the role of custodian of Group A lap records for Australian tracks, so i am reallly keen to hear what is the best lap time on any Australian circuit of any keyboard hero in his street car. I will then produce the Group A lap records on that circuit, for comparison.
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I think the initial post mis-undertands the relationship between speed and entertainment. If pure speed is all it needs, then we'd all be at drag racing.

Group A could race, they weren't locked to the road like Skalextric and the mixture of cars had different strengths at weaknesses at parts of the track or during a stint.

One of the first races I ever attended was ETCC at Donington Park in '84 or '85 (not sure which). A bunch of Rover V8s, BMW 635CSis, Volvo 240 turbos, loads of smaller class Alfas and Escorts, an RX7 etc were certainly not dull and were a real handful down the Craner Curves.

Personally, from watching a car through a couple of corners I can't tell if it's 6 seconds a lap slower, but I can tell the driver is working hard to acheive that lap-time, and a car that looks as if it's being driven on the edge is far more interesting than one that's just glued to the road.

Grp A did have some significant rule problems, both interpretation and enforcement, but it was definitely good to watch. Just watch the Walkinshaw Jaguar's Bathurst qualifying lap and then try to convince me that a V8SC is better than that. If you think it is, you have no soul.
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Group A was fantastic ! Not only could you enjoy battles for victory up and down the field... the cars themselves were interesting too as they were a genuine reflection of what was on the road. As a spectacle, it was incredible. I feel privileged to have seen so many of these races in the flesh. Is it better than the current spec. series ? I don't know... both have their merit... but was it crap, hell no way !
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just saying more hp than a v8 and in theory more traction. but 6 seconds slower than a current v8. I would have to say they were overrated then based on that
6 sec slower than a 2012 supercar or a 1993 supercar?
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Ofcourse it's overrated, Jamie Whincup wasn't racing back then!

Slowmobiles? Your beloved Godzilla with all it's 650hp AWD prowess isn't a slowmobile. FML.....
wasn't refering about that one. but you'll find back then, it was a bit quicker then the rest of the field, AWD and Turbo's ftw
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i think at the time, because they were up there with the fastest cars at the time, then they were spectacular.

The problem is for people who have only come into the motorsport scene in the V8SC era and are now looking back via Youtube etc, compare the speed the V8SC's are capable of to the Grp A & Grp C, then the Grp A & Grp C cars look slow, but at the time they definitely were not
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I think the initial post mis-undertands the relationship between speed and entertainment. If pure speed is all it needs, then we'd all be at drag racing.

Group A could race, they weren't locked to the road like Skalextric and the mixture of cars had different strengths at weaknesses at parts of the track or during a stint.

One of the first races I ever attended was ETCC at Donington Park in '84 or '85 (not sure which). A bunch of Rover V8s, BMW 635CSis, Volvo 240 turbos, loads of smaller class Alfas and Escorts, an RX7 etc were certainly not dull and were a real handful down the Craner Curves.

Personally, from watching a car through a couple of corners I can't tell if it's 6 seconds a lap slower, but I can tell the driver is working hard to acheive that lap-time, and a car that looks as if it's being driven on the edge is far more interesting than one that's just glued to the road.

Grp A did have some significant rule problems, both interpretation and enforcement, but it was definitely good to watch. Just watch the Walkinshaw Jaguar's Bathurst qualifying lap and then try to convince me that a V8SC is better than that. If you think it is, you have no soul.
Nailed it !!!!
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