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Old 19 May 2019, 19:49 (Ref:3904716)   #16
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The most entertaining in the 3rd race was the radiocommunication with Erlacher
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Old 19 May 2019, 20:20 (Ref:3904724)   #17
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Now we see the terribleness of this ruleset. BoP does not work in this way. There needs to be wholesale changes for next season – maybe championship order ballast.

In Slovakia, the Hyundai drivers had to race but weren't allowed to be quicker than a laptime set by the team.

In the Netherlands, now we learn that Lynk & Co give one car each weekend a downtuned engine and were driving deliberately slowly in Slovakia.

Shedden being so slow seemingly helps JKV.

Estaban was trying to win the race as slowly as possible for Honda.

This is daft.
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Old 19 May 2019, 22:29 (Ref:3904761)   #18
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Race 3 was a team orders-dominated disaster. Fitting that Jean Todt was there.

F1 around this track is going to be atrocious, as if it isn't already atrocious enough.

The compensation weight needs to go. It only exists because the FIA feel the need to stick their mucky fingers into everything. Just use the global BOP.
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Old 20 May 2019, 11:34 (Ref:3904847)   #19
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In the Netherlands, now we learn that Lynk & Co give one car each weekend a downtuned engine and were driving deliberately slowly in Slovakia.
Thats what I was thinking. There should be no car in WTCR that does not race in lower tier championships and is therefore sold to privateers.

The performance of Hyundai in other championships is what keeps the bop high, even if they sandbag in WTCR. Same with Honda.

There should be a set minimum of sold and racing cars before a car is eligable for WTCR.
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Old 20 May 2019, 12:24 (Ref:3904862)   #20
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It seems the Lynk is the Cadillac of TCR haha

Touring car times claiming a secret meeting of team bosses threatened to withdraw 16 cars unless the BOP revision was reversed.
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Old 20 May 2019, 12:38 (Ref:3904866)   #21
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Thats what I was thinking. There should be no car in WTCR that does not race in lower tier championships and is therefore sold to privateers.

The performance of Hyundai in other championships is what keeps the bop high, even if they sandbag in WTCR. Same with Honda.

There should be a set minimum of sold and racing cars before a car is eligable for WTCR.

Not bad idea, but maybe would delay the use in WTCR, and WTCR should be the showcase for buyers in other championships.
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Old 20 May 2019, 12:48 (Ref:3904870)   #22
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I remember from the first TCR rules in 2015 each manufacturer had to build at leat 10 cars each and be available to customers. I'm surprised if not all homologated TCR cars must be available to customers, as that's the idea with the regulations from the first place.

LADA has at least two cars (one in Russia, one in Germany with Lubner) as private entries, but I don't know if the Russian privateer is only a works car in disguise (there were 3 works LADA's in TCR Russia last year, but only 2 works LADA's this year + 1 privateer).
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Old 20 May 2019, 13:06 (Ref:3904875)   #23
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I remember from the first TCR rules in 2015 each manufacturer had to build at leat 10 cars each and be available to customers. I'm surprised if not all homologated TCR cars must be available to customers, as that's the idea with the regulations from the first place.

LADA has at least two cars (one in Russia, one in Germany with Lubner) as private entries, but I don't know if the Russian privateer is only a works car in disguise (there were 3 works LADA's in TCR Russia last year, but only 2 works LADA's this year + 1 privateer).

I would believe, they made it easier, as there were a lot of private builders like Romeo Ferraris, TOPRUN, STARD, Vukovic. Would be a hard challenge for them, to build first 10 cars and then start with publicly showing them in TCR.
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Old 20 May 2019, 14:54 (Ref:3904892)   #24
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I would believe, they made it easier, as there were a lot of private builders like Romeo Ferraris, TOPRUN, STARD, Vukovic. Would be a hard challenge for them, to build first 10 cars and then start with publicly showing them in TCR.
It might even have been formulated as "having capacity to build at least 10 cars"-ish, just to avoid having locally built oddball cars run by one single team. Still, such cars raced anyway (Onyx/Arena/Proteam/FRD Ford Focus, I'm looking at you!).
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Old 20 May 2019, 17:03 (Ref:3904915)   #25
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LADA has at least two cars (one in Russia, one in Germany with Lubner) as private entries, but I don't know if the Russian privateer is only a works car in disguise (there were 3 works LADA's in TCR Russia last year, but only 2 works LADA's this year + 1 privateer).
Those 2 works ones in TCR Russia are new model called Vesta Sport, while privateer one is works car from last year.
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Old 20 May 2019, 18:01 (Ref:3904930)   #26
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It might even have been formulated as "having capacity to build at least 10 cars"-ish, just to avoid having locally built oddball cars run by one single team. Still, such cars raced anyway (Onyx/Arena/Proteam/FRD Ford Focus, I'm looking at you!).

Unfortunately, we can't look at those regulations. Can be hard to judge, if a workshop is able to do more than 1-2 cars, and if this will be the case in the end.



We can't really blame Onyx/Arena/Proteam, because they didn't try to race really (as far as i can remember). It can not be forbidden, to start such a project - all great things start first with an idea!
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