Future Grands Prix? - Page 141

chillibowl · 23 Jul 2019, 21:22 (Ref:3919080)

a bit out of left field, or a science fiction novel, and certainly going off topic

but we might not be too many years away from not needing a live audience at all.

sit at home, put on your VR/AR headset and let your virtual holographic avatar take a seat in the stands along with the millions of other holograms.

5 years, 10 years, maybe sooner. some tech companies already tried it out at the last winter olympics and with a massive global 5G roll out on its way this is the future of sports entertainment and subscription based services.

for example out of the 900,000 Dutch fans who wont be able to buy a ticket, how many would pay for an option to virtually experience this race live and see their boy compete?

i mean you cant go so stuck at home and probably paying for the feed already right so why not buy the enhanced package?

personally i think the headsets are daft but the thought of attending any sporting event around the globe, any concert, to be able to stand witness to whatever the next watershed/fall of the Berlin Wall level historical moment...of course i will be investing in the hardware necessary to subscribe to whomever is offering me this services.

the revolution will be televised!

rustyfan · 25 Jul 2019, 09:04 (Ref:3919274)

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Originally Posted by chillibowl

a bit out of left field, or a science fiction novel, and certainly going off topic

but we might not be too many years away from not needing a live audience at all.

sit at home, put on your VR/AR headset and let your virtual holographic avatar take a seat in the stands along with the millions of other holograms.

5 years, 10 years, maybe sooner. some tech companies already tried it out at the last winter olympics and with a massive global 5G roll out on its way this is the future of sports entertainment and subscription based services.

for example out of the 900,000 Dutch fans who wont be able to buy a ticket, how many would pay for an option to virtually experience this race live and see their boy compete?

i mean you cant go so stuck at home and probably paying for the feed already right so why not buy the enhanced package?

personally i think the headsets are daft but the thought of attending any sporting event around the globe, any concert, to be able to stand witness to whatever the next watershed/fall of the Berlin Wall level historical moment...of course i will be investing in the hardware necessary to subscribe to whomever is offering me this services.

the revolution will be televised!

Not sure about the hologram-on-site idea

, but it'd be zero problems with the tech we have today to setup a bunch of 360-cameras around the circuit to offer a way of watching the race using your VR-headset. I have a feeling the immersion would be quite intense, especially since you'd be able to place said cameras very close to the action - even on the cars themselves. Sure, you wouldn't feel the G-forces but I'm pretty sure it'd be one helluva ride nonetheless

chillibowl · 25 Jul 2019, 17:15 (Ref:3919313)

indeed holographic representation at a far away track is an out there idea

but yeah the VR/AR stuff is very doable with today's tech. providing an immersive stream in real time would costly so a replay experience would be a sensible first step (and i think there are already some F1 VR/360 videos of a lap or two are out there already). nothing during a race though as far as i know.

Mike Harte · 8 Aug 2019, 10:43 (Ref:3921926)

The Grand Prix at Barcelona has been given a one year extension, meaning that next year's event will take place.

The number of spectators at this year's event was the lowest since 1999 despite Carlos Sainz driving (the loss of Alonso may also have been a factor) and the political unease due to separation issues with Madrid may have contributed.

The Catalonian regional government currently financially supports this race, but there is pressure for that subsidy to be stopped as there are far more pressing needs for the money.

S griffin · 8 Aug 2019, 19:36 (Ref:3921979)

That’s good, be a travesty if it went. And Mexico is safe. However I wouldn’t be surprised if one or two drop out

chillibowl · 4 Sep 2019, 21:57 (Ref:3925883)

no mention of terms but Monza resigned until 2024 and also the last asterisk on 2020 is gone giving us 22 races next year.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/i...-2024/4530433/

S griffin · 5 Sep 2019, 11:47 (Ref:3925965)

That’s good, it’s important we keep historic venues like Monza on the calendar

NaBUru38 · 5 Sep 2019, 15:14 (Ref:3925990)

No Nürburgring or Hockenheim in 2020, despite Mercedes and Vettel.

crmalcolm · 5 Sep 2019, 15:18 (Ref:3925991)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

That’s good, it’s important we keep historic venues like Monza on the calendar

I'm not saying I disagree with the sentiment - but I wonder why it is important?

What is important about keeping a venue?

S griffin · 5 Sep 2019, 15:31 (Ref:3925995)

Do I really need too much explaining? We need to keep venues on the calendar that add something to F1, unlike some of the bland and empty new circuits

**bjohnsonsmith** · 5 Sep 2019, 15:35 (Ref:3925996)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I'm not saying I disagree with the sentiment - but I wonder why it is important?

What is important about keeping a venue?

In the case of Monza it's important, as this is one of the original F1 Grand Prix tracks and is therefore at the heart of the sport. To lose a venue like Monza I believe would diminish F1, because it attracts a huge fan base, the teams and drivers like it, as well as it being steeped in history.

crmalcolm · 5 Sep 2019, 15:49 (Ref:3925998)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Do I really need too much explaining? We need to keep venues on the calendar that add something to F1, unlike some of the bland and empty new circuits

Well yes, hence the reason I asked.
I always wonder the reason behind a statement being made, and this is one of those.
Just because a venue has been around for a while does not, in my opinion, automatically mean it should stay ad infinitum. If that were the case, then the current 22 race calendar would be:

Silverstone,
Monaco,
Indianapolis,
Bremgarten,
Spa-Francorchamps,
Reims-Gueux,
Monza,
Nurburgring,
Pedralbes,
Rouen-Les-Essarts,
Zandvoort,
Buenos Aires,
Aintree,
Pescara,
Boavista,
Ain-Diab,
AVUS,
Monsanto,
Sebring,
Riverside,
Watkins Glen
Prince George

Can we really say that a calendar featuring those tracks would be better than the current one?
No Sao Paulo, Suzuka, Red Bull Ring, Gilles Villeneuve or Melbourne because there is a more historic venue that must be kept?

What does Monza add, that these venues do not? - that is all I am asking.

crmalcolm · 5 Sep 2019, 15:52 (Ref:3925999)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

In the case of Monza it's important, as this is one of the original F1 Grand Prix tracks and is therefore at the heart of the sport. To lose a venue like Monza I believe would diminish F1, because it attracts a huge fan base, the teams and drivers like it, as well as it being steeped in history.

I appreciate you backing up the declaration with some reasoning.

Huge fan base and being liked by drivers are valid reasons for keeping it, and make much more sense to me that just 'because it's been around for a while'.

If we just keep a track because it has a historical place, then that gives circuit owners a free reign to not bother investing in track facilities because, guess what, they'll always have a place on the calendar anyway.

chillibowl · 5 Sep 2019, 17:01 (Ref:3926012)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I'm not saying I disagree with the sentiment - but I wonder why it is important?

What is important about keeping a venue?

Putting history aside, this particular venue, i believe, is unique in its almost 'ovalish' and high speed nature.

Variety in track layouts speaks to the heart of the sporting challenge we would all like to see more of. Imo it speaks for itself.

steve_r · 5 Sep 2019, 17:07 (Ref:3926013)

Ok - turn it around. Can you make a case for China (just for example) being included in the calendar instead of Monza?

One has a rich history of F1 in terms of drivers and teams with a huge and passionate fanbase, and a track that has created drama and is steeped with history.

The other has by comparison almost no history in the sport, no drivers, no teams, and embarrassingly whole grandstands of spectator seats that are covered by large taupaulins because they were empty throughout the entire weekend, including on race day. However the government is happy to stump up the exorbitant cash to the F1 powers that be.