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The established 'OldTimer' includes FJ Lurani, HGPCA and Masters grids from the UK.

And for 2019 the Friday Nordshleiffe Marathon could return if the AvD get enough support.....
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Old 8 Aug 2019, 21:08 (Ref:3921988)   #16
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Just had a stroll around paddock . There is more corporate and hospitality here than ever . Hey ho . Truth be known I was looking for our hostility tent . Looks like it’s been moved way down by the fuel station . Guess time moves on but I can remember the good old days when the paddock was just full of old cars , motor bikes and auto jumble . Happy days
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Just had a stroll around paddock . There is more corporate and hospitality here than ever . Hey ho . Truth be known I was looking for our hostility tent . Looks like it’s been moved way down by the fuel station . Guess time moves on but I can remember the good old days when the paddock was just full of old cars , motor bikes and auto jumble . Happy days
So you don't have a paddock layout plan then!

Here you go.....

http://www.mastershistoricracing.com...ddockPlan.pdf/

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Good to see the Roelofs 250 GTO Rep racing. Does sound good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV0CsuvB0D8
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Some potential good news from Germany- The Marathon back next year...
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Some potential good news from Germany- The Marathon back next year...
This could be a really dum question but what is the 'Marathon'?

I assume just a endurance on the Nordschleife.

Asking as I dont know the history of the event really
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Some potential good news from Germany- The Marathon back next year...
Fingers crossed, but I’ll believe it only after the start lights go out ;-) I heard talk yesterday that they would be accepting cars of later eras than previous too, but have not seen anything in writing to substantiate that.
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This could be a really dum question but what is the 'Marathon'?

I assume just a endurance on the Nordschleife.

Asking as I dont know the history of the event really
It was a 4 hour endurance race on the Nordschleife that in the past was held on the Friday of this weekend. Open to FiA cars up to around 1976 running Dunlop Historic or Avon ZZ radial tyres. Importantly the circuit did not include the GP loop so qualifying could take place on that at the same time. I’ve watched one team member qualifying a car on the GP circuit while his team mate was doing a stint in their other car on the ‘green hell’.....

The race fell foul of the demanding driver qualifications now required for racing on the long circuit, and entry numbers dropped. Changes have been made to make qualification easier, but it still requires newbies to do at least a training day beforehand.

As Sam says, to be believed when it happens- but it’s on my ‘to do’ list!
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If they dropped the 'only FIA cars' nonsense the grid would be full (IMO)
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If they dropped the 'only FIA cars' nonsense the grid would be full (IMO)
They certainly could be more creative on eligibility, as long as tyre types are kept under control. That could be as much of an issue.......
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We ran in this race in 2011 with my '68 TR5, being '68 it was in the Youngtimers category for the "Nurburgring Trophy" and was therefore allowed to run the Yokos on which it races in HSCC. It was the first 3.5 hours of the Marathon's 4 hours, we just pulled off half an hour before they finished.

That year the race was on combined GP and Nordschliefe, which worked well for us - subsequent years, when we would have entered again, the qualifying for the race was at the same time as Formula Junior quali ... which made it impossible.

Would be good if the race was back on.
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I think a tyre such as Yoko or Tokyo radial with 60% profile is OK on ‘Youngtimers’, but if more modern cars become eligible it could bring the question of whether slicks or ultra modern low profile radials should be allowed. Maybe on a unique circuit like the Nordschleife the extra cornering speeds possible wouldn’t be an issue?
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Just waiting for ferry so here is my report . After a P5 and P4 in Copenhagen it was back down to earth at the Nurburgring . P18 and P6 in class. 1st Race .,Good start and pulled away from cars that were around me .Then the Brabham we run pulled off while he was in the lead and I lost concentration and dropped a few places . Had some good dices to the finish line and finished where I started P18 and P5 in class. The Elva 300 went well and I was happy to get into the 12’s around the circuit . Sunday race was marred sadly as there was a five car pile up as a car dumped all its oil around the track . Safety car for 4 laps including going through pit lane . Some drivers got confused and stayed out on track they were all penalised 10 seconds . Two cars written off and I mean written off . Only luck that no one was injured . I managed to spin as well and lost about 10 places . The safety car pulled in and we had 3 laps racing . All very frustrating . Good news for the owner of the Elva iscthat there are 3 people wanting to buy the car . Hope I get a bit of commission . It’s been fun driving a drum brake car . Think thats it for FJ for me this year . Back to slicks and wings .
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Unfortunately Peter Knöfel injured his foot in the pile up. He was taken to hospital and was diagnosed with a broken bone in his foot. He came limping back later in the evening with orders to visit a hospital next day to get an ortopedic shoe.

As for my racing, the less said the better. Got a misfire early in the qualifying, which got worse to the extent that the car stopped when I tried to reach the parc femé. Checked timing and points and replaced plugs. In R1, the Engine stopped dead after half a lap. Thought afterwards that I might have turned the main switch off by mistake, since the car started after being towed back. R2, same as in qualifying. Managed to get through the pile up, but Knöfel who was right behind me hit Buhofer's car. At the end of next lap my engine would only idle. I have a feeling that it got too much fuel drenching the plugs, but I don't know.

At least I did not use up much fuel...
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About the Marathon...

If you read the instruction given, it is open to DMSB HTP cars which are national cars and which would possibly go for general acceptance of national cars of other countries I presume and if so, possibly far away from anything FIA as I know the practices around Europe. Also, it will be considering cars up to 1996 included on invitation.

In my opinion this is the reason the Marathon won't be back, too large, too unrestricted. Whom would like to race against the likes of early 90s DTM machinery or BPR cars as well as 935s and 3.0RSR in a pre-66 car?

I wouldn't but I would be the first to actually put an entry if it looked a little more serious and consistent. Racing on the Ring is interesting but not against anything. I would prefer a simple coaching day for that, already dangerous enough.

It sounds more like a Gruppe H and Nürburgring Classic lookalike with all the funny stuff than the Marathon was...
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