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Old 24 Jun 2019, 22:45 (Ref:3914024)   #31
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The imaginary concrete wall moves when you get to the kerbs. Just imagine an imaginary wall on the outside of the kerb, not the white line on the wrong side of said kerb. Simples
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Old 25 Jun 2019, 06:56 (Ref:3914055)   #32
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Old 25 Jun 2019, 08:58 (Ref:3914067)   #33
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Old 25 Jun 2019, 14:41 (Ref:3914125)   #34
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Because its a joke... basically, its contradictory of its own self.... rule is as follows .......................



................. READ THE REGS

Claire, I appreciate that I am now considered to be a boring old f*rt, but what you have said is so blindingly obvious that the powers that be should be aware of what a cock-up they have created. And it is a drum that I have beaten quite a few times on this forum's pages.

I have never understood the requirement in more modern times to have curbing on virtually every racing circuit, except that they "protect" the edges of the tracks for the benefit of the circuit operators. There are countless videos/Youtubes online which show how racing conducted 50 or so years ago, and drivers were completely able to keep their far less sophisticated machines right between the white lines, and at the same time produced some of the most thrilling racing that one could want to see.

Unfortunately, in my mind, so much of this attitude to permit these things come about from a general malaise that persists in society where individuals seem incapable of exercising god old fashioned self control.
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Old 25 Jun 2019, 14:57 (Ref:3914129)   #35
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Claire, I appreciate that I am now considered to be a boring old f*rt, but what you have said is so blindingly obvious that the powers that be should be aware of what a cock-up they have created. And it is a drum that I have beaten quite a few times on this forum's pages.

I have never understood the requirement in more modern times to have curbing on virtually every racing circuit, except that they "protect" the edges of the tracks for the benefit of the circuit operators. There are countless videos/Youtubes online which show how racing conducted 50 or so years ago, and drivers were completely able to keep their far less sophisticated machines right between the white lines, and at the same time produced some of the most thrilling racing that one could want to see.

Unfortunately, in my mind, so much of this attitude to permit these things come about from a general malaise that persists in society where individuals seem incapable of exercising god old fashioned self control.
At last... someone who gets what I am saying
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Old 25 Jun 2019, 17:29 (Ref:3914155)   #36
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One of the reasons karting is so expensive is because the guys need new frames two or three times a year. That's because they hit the kerbs every corner in just the fashion shown as "legal" in the official photos. Some of the karting kerbs are monsters "but to be quick you have to smash the kerbs."

Guess what? We have the karts on the jig every Saturday night after testing, and sometimes between races. Three frames per year isn't unusual.

All because of the great God of "smashing the kerbs." If the kerbs were made illegal costs would plummet. And to my mind, skills would rocket - any damned fool can be quick if every corner is a straight line!

But suggest that on the karting forums, and it's as if I'd suggested putting videos of the rules on social media. God, I was flamed.

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Old 25 Jun 2019, 22:27 (Ref:3914194)   #37
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One of the reasons karting is so expensive is because the guys need new frames two or three times a year. That's because they hit the kerbs every corner in just the fashion shown as "legal" in the official photos. Some of the karting kerbs are monsters "but to be quick you have to smash the kerbs."

Guess what? We have the karts on the jig every Saturday night after testing, and sometimes between races. Three frames per year isn't unusual.

All because of the great God of "smashing the kerbs." If the kerbs were made illegal costs would plummet. And to my mind, skills would rocket - any damned fool can be quick if every corner is a straight line!

But suggest that on the karting forums, and it's as if I'd suggested putting videos of the rules on social media. God, I was flamed.

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I know we don't see eye to eye on some things... but do you see what I am saying?..

This is what is a joke, is that if the circuit doesn't put em there... YOU CANT USE EM... they only put em there to stop the rest of it being churned up, run ons are now added for "safety" but as you can clearly see by the illustrations .. drivers will try to go faster out of a corner and use that ... hence my point, and here is the thing.... this thread (and the other) all refer to consistency.. "The rules need to be consistent"... yet, we've admitted on here that we drive differently at UK circuits than abroad... that if we are on a street circuit...or one with a wall... we wont go over the line... so we CAN do it... we are just lazy and THAT was what I was getting at.

To put it another way .....as the late great John Smith Clerk of The Course used to say... "The Accelerator works both ways you know"
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Old 25 Jun 2019, 22:39 (Ref:3914198)   #38
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In defence of our Historic Formula Fords we have NEVER been relaxed when it comes to respecting our Orange heroes.

This determined driving past Marshals trying to do their job was obviously thought (by someone with such a motor racing history) blatantly disrespectful. His opinion is respected, this attitude will be addressed.

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Old 25 Jun 2019, 23:11 (Ref:3914203)   #39
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I know we don't see eye to eye on some things... but do you see what I am saying?..


Claire I don't know if I made it clear but I totally abhor the use of kerbs.

The Esses at my local track have had a h-u-g-e sausage kerb put on the exit, it rips the engine mounts off if you get it wrong. Guess what? People respect it and chassis aren't getting wrecked! And lap times haven't suffered either.

So what do we think of the following photos. MiniMM sent them to me, entitled "side by side at 170mph for the lead of the N24." Is this exciting, daring racing or should the overtaking car be penalised for driving on the grass? Or should the red car be penalised for sending him out there?



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Old 26 Jun 2019, 01:11 (Ref:3914215)   #40
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So what do we think of the following photos. MiniMM sent them to me, entitled "side by side at 170mph for the lead of the N24." Is this exciting, daring racing or should the overtaking car be penalised for driving on the grass? Or should the red car be penalised for sending him out there?
I wonder of penalising both would work?

BTW, off topic but ...

I watched a little of the night session courtesy of the link provided elsewhere and have to say that the flashing blue lights at top right (looking forward) of the windscreen was incredibly distracting.

What are they for?

Do the drivers just get used to it after a minute or so?

I assume that when in the car and driving they are something that is acceptable but on the live stream I thought they were incredibly distracting.

(Especially when trying to find the kerbs on the right!)
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Old 26 Jun 2019, 06:56 (Ref:3914227)   #41
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So what do we think of the following photos. MiniMM sent them to me, entitled "side by side at 170mph for the lead of the N24." Is this exciting, daring racing or should the overtaking car be penalised for driving on the grass? Or should the red car be penalised for sending him out there?
Surely if you exceed track limits to avoid hitting another car, then that should not be penalised? If you gain an advantage by doing so, then maybe. The incident in those pics suggests to me that the Manthey Porsche (the yellow one) had the choice of side to side contact or exceeding track limits, so IMO no penalty...

Also at the N24, one competitor had to take completely to the grass to avoid an intervention vehicle. I guess there would have been white ‘slow vehicle on track’ flags that he should have seen, so penalise him for that, but not exceeding limits.

More blatant- at the French GP, Ricciardo drove completely outside the track twice to overtake other cars, so was rightly penalised. Of course, had there been a wall at the edge of the track, he wouldn’t have done it. But there wasn’t, so he did.....
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Old 26 Jun 2019, 08:31 (Ref:3914234)   #42
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As far as the grass part of it goes there's nothing wrong with that move as far as the rules that race runs under is concerned which is why he didn't get a penalty.

The Porsche has two wheels on the track which is all that's required so it never exceeded track limits.

It would be totally illegal in the UK as all four wheels have to be on the track (or the track and kerb).
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Old 26 Jun 2019, 08:35 (Ref:3914235)   #43
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There is a very simple way to stop most of these tactics;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xWL0wCfIFU

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I have never understood the requirement in more modern times to have curbing on virtually every racing circuit, except that they "protect" the edges of the tracks
Curbing makes the track look nice .Maybe more professional.
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I must admit I kind of got distracted by the cars .
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