[Driver] Team Mates Comparison 2011

[Marbot]

And then the flies start appearing.

[safc_fan89]

Originally Posted by Razzzor

Yeah I was going to post about this too. Rosberg is clearly ahead in points, always qualifies ahead of MS, and usually finishes ahead. But if you're sitting watching the lap times every single lap on formula1.com (which I do for every race) then Michael has been quick in lap times throughout the race than Rosberg since Monaco (apart from 1 race he struggled, can't remember which). Michael seems to be slightly better on his tyres this year, and at the end of the stints starts closing down on Rosberg. It's just a shame he's become such an awful qualifier because if he was starting ahead, and without any mistakes, Rosberg would probably never beat him.

Unfortunately for Schumacher, and his fans, the only thing that counts is the end points tally.

Likewise, a lot was made of Massa finally outqualifying Alonso, but if you lose track position to him in the first few laps, what does it matter?

[stripedcat]

Originally Posted by safc_fan89

Likewise, a lot was made of Massa finally outqualifying Alonso, but if you lose track position to him in the first few laps, what does it matter?

Because : "Fernando is faster than you. Do you understand, Felipe?".

Felipe, sadly isn't the man he was before 2009. I always think he was going to struggle with Alonso. Alonso doesn't like his team mate challenging him. Whilst Felipe has improved some what, I don't think he is going to take a win any time soon.

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by safc_fan89

Unfortunately for Schumacher, and his fans, the only thing that counts is the end points tally.

Likewise, a lot was made of Massa finally outqualifying Alonso, but if you lose track position to him in the first few laps, what does it matter?

Anyone remember the Silverstone 2007 quali session? Hamilton on pole, his dad doing fist pumps in the pits, the crowd (minus me i must add) going nuts, and what happened? His team mate won the race the next day!

[John Turner]

I'm sure Schummy is busy but sure would be good to see this updated.

[Schummy]

I'll try to do something about it!

[John Turner]

That would be great, thanks!

[RF_Racer]

Originally Posted by Razzzor

Yeah I was going to post about this too. Rosberg is clearly ahead in points, always qualifies ahead of MS, and usually finishes ahead. But if you're sitting watching the lap times every single lap on formula1.com (which I do for every race) then Michael has been quick in lap times throughout the race than Rosberg since Monaco (apart from 1 race he struggled, can't remember which). Michael seems to be slightly better on his tyres this year, and at the end of the stints starts closing down on Rosberg. It's just a shame he's become such an awful qualifier because if he was starting ahead, and without any mistakes, Rosberg would probably never beat him.

Even at Hungary, early in the rain he dropped back behind a few guys and seemed to be struggling - Rosberg was doing a better job of holding off the Ferrari's - but once they got onto the dry tires MS was closing on Rosberg, as was Di Resta. It's unfortunate that they left him on the inters for such an insane amount of time that he dropped so much time (including behind Di Resta). Mercedes are pretty bad at race strategy these days.

Have you considered that maybe Rosbergs car is more setup for qualy to get a good grid slot, a setup that brings the tyres up to temp much earlier, where as Schumacher tends to focus on race setup?

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by RF_Racer

Have you considered that maybe Rosbergs car is more setup for qualy to get a good grid slot, a setup that brings the tyres up to temp much earlier, where as Schumacher tends to focus on race setup?

This is true for a number of drivers, which makes drivers like Vettel all the more impressive.

[Peralta]

I am impressed how Perez is starting to outqualify his more experienced and supposedly faster teammate the last few races. Not to impressed with his starts however. He is improving though.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by Mr V

Anyone remember the Silverstone 2007 quali session? Hamilton on pole, his dad doing fist pumps in the pits, the crowd (minus me i must add) going nuts, and what happened? His team mate won the race the next day!

Is that the same 2007 Silverstone GP that Raikkonen won?

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Is that the same 2007 Silverstone GP that Raikkonen won?

Doh, my bad, the point i meant was that Fernando finished ahead (i thought he'd won tbh)

[Schummy]

A partial update of the table, for the 4 main teams.

TEAM    AUS MAL CHI TUR SPA MON CAN VAL GBR GER HUN BEL ITA SIN JAP KOR IND ABU =  TOT  Lead Conf.
===================================================================================================
VET-WEB 101 101 101 101 011 101 111 111 011 000 101 101 111 111 101 111 111 100 = 39-15  VET  99.9% BUSTED!
HAM-BUT 101 100 011 111 111 000 100 101 011 111 110 100 110 000 000 111 000 101 = 29-25 (HAM) 32%   Equality
ALO-MAS 101 110 100 111 111 111 100 111 111 101 001 011 101 111 011 001 111 111 = 40-14  ALO  99.9% BUSTED!
ROS-SCH 111 110 111 111 110 011 100 111 101 101 111 100 000 101 010 111 100 111 = 37-17  ROS  99.1% BUSTED!
HEI-PET 000 101 000 011 011 011 100 101 001 000 000 = 12-21 (PET) 84%   Advantage
KOB-PER 100 111 001 001 000 11- --- 110 100 011 011 = 15-14 (KOB)  0%   Equality
BAR-MAL 011 111 101 101 010 011 011 101 011 000 111 = 21-12 (BAR) 84%   Advantage
SUT-DIR 011 000 010 111 010 001 000 111 011 111 110 = 18-15 (SUT) 23%   Equality
===================================================================================================

(¿Someone knows how to make a wider "code" window? Now I have to use a small font to get it within the window)

Vettel, Alonso and Rosberg have busted their team mates. Anyway, Schumacher has done a good job in the last GPs.

Hamilton, however, has had a lot of troubles with Button (from a competitive comparison point of view) and now they are in a sort of equality, with a minimal advantage for Lewis that could be explained by random events (only 32% of confidence in that it is for real).

The remaining teams, i.e. Renault, Sauber, Williams and Force, will be updated later.

[Schummy]

Complete update of the table (the eight teams)

TEAM    AUS MAL CHI TUR SPA MON CAN VAL GBR GER HUN BEL ITA SIN JAP KOR IND ABU =  TOT  Lead Conf.
===================================================================================================
VET-WEB 101 101 101 101 011 101 111 111 011 000 101 101 111 111 101 111 111 100 = 39-15  VET  99.9% BUSTED!
HAM-BUT 101 100 011 111 111 000 100 101 011 111 110 100 110 000 000 111 000 101 = 29-25 (HAM) 32%   Equality
ALO-MAS 101 110 100 111 111 111 100 111 111 101 001 011 101 111 011 001 111 111 = 40-14  ALO  99.9% BUSTED!
ROS-SCH 111 110 111 111 110 011 100 111 101 101 111 100 000 101 010 111 100 111 = 37-17  ROS  99.1% BUSTED!
HEI-PET 000 101 000 011 011 011 100 101 001 000 000                             = 12-21 (PET) 84%   Advantage?
SEN-PET                                             110 011 111 000 011 100 000 = 10-11 (PET)  0%   Equality
KOB-PER 100 111 001 001 000 11- --- 110 100 011 011 011 000 010 100 111 100 011 = 25-25 (===)  0%   Equality
BAR-MAL 011 111 101 101 010 011 011 101 011 000 111 110 110 100 100 011 011 011 = 33-21 (BAR) 87%   Advantage?
SUT-DIR 011 000 010 111 010 001 000 111 011 111 110 111 000 100 101 010 101 101 = 29-25 (SUT) 32%   Equality
===================================================================================================

Interesting performance by Bruno Senna, particularly in the first three GPs. Apparently he equaled Petrov, who, in turn, was in advantage against Heidfeld.

Kobayashi and Perez have done a remarkably parallel season, their equality has been amazing (but with subtleties about qualifyings and race positions ). Almost the same equality between Sutil and Di Resta, none of those two has proved he is better than his team mate all-around.

In the crepuscular Williams team, Barrichello has had advantage but not enough to "prove" statistically that he is better than Maldonado.

[Adam43]

Looks spot on. I might have guessed 'advantage' Rosberg rather than 'busted' Schumacher. A minor point. It is a very good indicator.

[Schummy]

(Thanks, Adam!)

And now, the breakdown of scores according to session (Qual, Fastest Lap, Race):

TEAM      QUAL   FLAP   RACE  
============================
VET-WEB   15-3**  8-10  16-2** VET>WEB in qual and race
HAM-BUT   12-6    8-10   9-9
ALO-MAS   14-4*  11-7   15-3** ALO>MAS in qual and race
ROS-SCH   15-3** 11-7   11-7   ROS>SCH in qual
HEI-PET    3-8    3-8    6-5
SEN-PET    3-4    4-3    3-4
KOB-PER    8-9    9-8    8-8
BAR-MAL    9-9   12-6   12-6   
SUT-DIR    9-9   10-8   10-8
============================

I have signaled with one or two asterisks the cases where a significant advantage was achieved.

An interesting point is Webber good score against Vettel in Fastest Laps. There are three likely reasons: (a) we have discussed here that this season FLs can be misleading (tyres, strategy), (b) Vettel has been so much time in first position that he has not needed a higher pace in races, (c) perhaps Webber is really a match for Vettel in race pace like last season. Interestingly, in the last races Vettel fought explicitly to achieve a good fastest lap even risking his race win.

And finally the "strange" race_craft - raw_speed index . A positive value means the first driver is better mostly in raw speed, a negative one means the first driver is better mostly in race craft. A zero or small value means the driver was not particularly biased for raw speed or race craft. All of that is in comparison with his team mate.

The index is calculated as the advantage in qual minus the advantage in fastest lap.

"Raw-speed" -- "race-craft" index
--------------------------------------------------------
VET-WEB +14  VET's main strength was raw speed
HAM-BUT  +8  HAM's main strength was raw speed
ALO-MAS  +6  ALO's main strength was raw speed
ROS-SCH  +8  ROS's main strength was raw speed
HEI-PET   0  PET & HEI were of similar type
PET-SEN  +2  PET's main strength possibly was raw speed
KOB-PER  -2  KOB's main strength possibly was race craft
BAR-MAL  -6  BAR's main strength was race craft
SUT-DIR  -2  SUT's main strength possibly was race craft
--------------------------------------------------------

In terms of raw speed, Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso and Rosberg dominated their team mates. However, Barrichello dominated Maldonado in race craft.

[Born Racer]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Looks spot on. I might have guessed 'advantage' Rosberg rather than 'busted' Schumacher. A minor point. It is a very good indicator.

Me too. I would have thought Rosberg would have a large advantage, so it points strongly towards Schumacher's upturn in form not being anywhere near enough to him reaching the equality with Rosberg he has been perceived as getting. I thought it amusing to hear Schumacher say post-race he didn't fight Rosberg too hard when he made that move. It's easy to say that when he was getting passed come-what-may. It makes it look like it was somewhat his choice to let Rosberg go rather than him being beaten by him.

Schummy - I would be fascinated to have a look at how Alguersuari and Buemi compare, and second to that Kovalainen and Trulli if you have the time. (Ricciardo and Liuzzi would be another one). Thanks.

[Schummy]

The last update for the 2011 season. Just to document the final standings:

TEAM    AUS MAL CHI TUR SPA MON CAN VAL GBR GER HUN BEL ITA SIN JAP KOR IND ABU BRA =  TOT  Lead Conf.
===================================================================================================
VET-WEB 101 101 101 101 011 101 111 111 011 000 101 101 111 111 101 111 111 100 100 = 40-17  VET  99.7% BUSTED!
HAM-BUT 101 100 011 111 111 000 100 101 011 111 110 100 110 000 000 111 000 101 000 = 29-28 (HAM)  0%   Equality
ALO-MAS 101 110 100 111 111 111 100 111 111 101 001 011 101 111 011 001 111 111 111 = 43-14  ALO 100%   BUSTED!
ROS-SCH 111 110 111 111 110 011 100 111 101 101 111 100 000 101 010 111 100 111 101 = 39-18  ROS  99.2% BUSTED!
HEI-PET 000 101 000 011 011 011 100 101 001 000 000                                 = 12-21 (PET) 84%   Advantage?
SEN-PET                                             110 011 111 000 011 100 000 100 = 11-13 (PET) 16%   Equality
KOB-PER 100 111 001 001 000 11- --- 110 100 011 011 011 000 010 100 111 100 011 111 = 28-25 (KOB) 22%   Equality
BAR-MAL 011 111 101 101 010 011 011 101 011 000 111 110 110 100 100 011 011 011 111 = 36-21 (BAR) 94%   Advantage?
SUT-DIR 011 000 010 111 010 001 000 111 011 111 110 111 000 100 101 010 101 101 111 = 32-25 (SUT) 57%   Advantage?
===================================================================================================

[John Turner]

Many thanks, schummy!