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You would also have to recognise that, even if you got what you wanted, you still would get what you want. If as tyre could last 300km with little trouble, the designers would design cars that could use them up a bit more, to the point where a pitstop may be necessary. Also, the first half, two thirds of the race would still be "quiet". Unless it's a deliberate tactic, the drivers would realise they don't need to go helter skelter from the start. As a result, they would "manage" their race. |
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the point I was trying to drive at is that in WEC the management of equipment fragility is a necessity and counts as much as outright speed.
In F1 currently the tyre fragility forces F1 teams to nurse/manage and change the tyres constantly. I think I would rather see two 120 km races in an afternoon than the current tyre management format. If you can race a bike that hard for 120 km it should certainly be possible to race a car that hard for 300 km 2 hrs. Agreed Formerf1champ, the best solution would be to ditch the wings. Would love to see an open 600 hp formula ford type formula. The cars would "dance" and squirm and it would be a place where only the very best drivers could compete. Like MotoGP there would be no pretenders, only the very best would be successful. They would probably have to go helter skelter from the start, as the driver who could maintain as close to 10/10ths as possible would win. Ragging the car the is usually slow in any case, but we should see the cars stepping out of line when the drivers push too hard. Hopefully the WDC would then be the fastest sprint driver in the world. The MotoGP guys make the distance without changing tyres, so it should be possible in a GP. Only let one man work on a car in the pits if necessary. Oh and I agree the current F1 teams are guilty of forming formula mediocrity. This aspect is not Bernie's fault. Last edited by wnut; 6 May 2013 at 13:19. |
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It would make it more interesting if the drivers had to get out and change their own tyres.
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When we had race distance tyres back in 05, we had lots of problems with them and the tyre war accentuated that. Bridgestone and Michelin went all out to not to just make a better tyre but also to provide funding for other aspects of the car that weren't tyre related. The tyres tended to suit just a few cars (those with enough money for tyre testing, which was often provided by the tyre manufacturer) and the rest made the best of what was given to them. If Pirelli make a race distance tyre, then they would be handing yet another championship to Red Bull. It wouldn't particularly bother me that Vettel won all of the races in a season, but some fans don't take too kindly to that sort of thing, often complaining of processional racing and a lack of on track battles due to the hard tyres having strung out the field. The fact that Red Bull have a car with an excess of downforce should be seen as a positive and not a negative. How often have we said that downforce needs limiting in some way? |
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As predicted years before its introduction: the control tyre will be used for manipulation and as an argument for further standardization of the series.
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We have a control item, the management of which, is the most central feature of a teams results. That isn't to my way of thinking what a WDC or WCC should consist of! Maybe we should change the name to WTMC. (World Tyre Management Championship) Still it is more entertaining to watch than the parades of the past, no reason it can't be made better though! |
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It's nice to see that the tyres are working well again this weekend..
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"But it's never Pirelli's fault"
"The racing is so much better" "F1 is the best it's ever been" "Michelin produced dangerous tyres once, something Pirelli has never done!!!" "Paul Hembery is right about everything" "Too much debris on the track" "Felipe Massa's two nearly identical punctures were caused by debris" "Marussia got the setup wrong in Malaysia practice" "Motorsport is boring I'd much rather watch a conservation derby" Now to be followed with, "Spanish organizers need to do a better job of cleaning debris off the track" |
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Pirelli open to changes to its tyres after di Resta's failure
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107323 Hembery admitting there is a problem and not mentioning debris as a cause, who would have guessed... |
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I will be laughed out of the thread but here goes: Pirelli are an absolute disgrace to motorsport.
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Well I will be laughed out as well because I agree , 2 race weekends in a row now tyres have fallen apart . I don't remember Bridgestone having these problems . Anyone recall any other time this has happened ?
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While I think Pirelli has been doing what they're asked, if the tires are just literally falling apart that's not good and something definitely needs to be done.
I still love the set of p-zeros on my camaro though, 30,000+ miles. I just wish I had gotten scorpions for the winter instead of Bridgestone blizzaks. |
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Spanish GP: Pirelli reckons debris caused Paul di Resta's failure
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107336 Here we go again... |
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Where has all this debris come from? And why are Pirelli three more susceptible to it?
Pack of charlatans. |
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You know, the world is made of debris...
and they don't know how to deal with that... Oh wait, the teams asked for it ! |
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Tyres. Not three.
I keep falling foul of my phone correcting that so shall type the American 'tires' from now on. |
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One can tire of this tyre business, its getting beyond a joke now..
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