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Isn't the recipe Haas used the exact recipe that allowed teams to enter and compete in times past? They are fools if this approach is stopped as it is a viable way to enter and compete and if existing teams can't be competitive with a newcomer they should ask what they are doing wrong and get their act together. I think there are a lot of red faces from the detractors and doubters and so there should be as they never took Haas to be anything more than another lame American attempt to compete in F1 and now he is beating some of them.
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The FIA and FOM must see Haas as a great success for the rules, after HRT, caterham and Marussia that spend tens of millions to achieve very little and generally have cars that were unable to make the move up the grid. Probably, Haas made all the right choices and got all the right deals and was well funded enough to implement them, so I don't think it is as simple as just buying the bits. Great job by them operationally too. |
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Grosjean is simply the fastest guy on the face of the planet
LOL, have always been a fan and that hasnt always been easy. I am loving watching him race at present. I did hear during last nights race that HAAS has some of the ex Lotus suspension guys and that is largely the reason the car uses its tyres so well. No doubt the Ferrrari hook up is working, but perhaps some of the key recruits in the engineering team can be attributed some of this success as well |
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But he wouldn't have been able to enter at all if he hadn't done it first with a customer car (forget who got any points) which is why Pat Symonds comments are ironic, of all team Williams should know this which is why there is an element of sour grapes...
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That goes without saying. I'm not too sure what Symond's gripe is? Maybe he should delve into the history of Williams.
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This is 2010s, not 1970s. Whilst it may seem like hypocrisy, there is 40 years of difference and what applied in the 1970s may not apply now.
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My date need to be corroborated, but up until about the 70s, points were awarded to the manufacturer of the car, rather than the team of the car that driver was driving for. In other words, Cooper was the winning manufacturer in at least one year, but the cars were entered by different teams that happened to run Coopers.
If this was allowed nowadays under the current system, if the FIA deemed that the Haas was, to all intents and purposes, a Ferrari in disguise, then Grosjean would retain his driver's points, but the Constructor's points would be awarded to Ferrari. |
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I further believe that this may also lead to other teams setting up, or supporting existing teams, in a similar fashion, thereby creating a grid made up entirely of constructors' A and B teams. |
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I had been wondering about the staff that Haas had/has been employing, but never got around to satisfying that curiosity. However, your comment prompted me to look up Ben, and surprise, surprise, he joined Haas directly from Ferrari. I seriously wonder how many other of their designers and draughtsmen and women have links to the Scuderia?
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I'm enjoying seeing haas being genuinely competitive, but I do feel sorry for the other teams. I don't know what to suggest though, the in-fighting killed off the low budget teams by abandoning the rule changes that were promised to them.
Anyone know if sauber paid their employees March? Sky f1 hinted that they'll struggle to make China |
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