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Old 10 Nov 2012, 05:18 (Ref:3164836)   #126
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Old 10 Nov 2012, 19:58 (Ref:3164959)   #127
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Have not seen that one before GTR. Wonder what that contract was worth. Old advertisments in magazines is worthy of a thread on its own.
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Old 14 Apr 2016, 07:51 (Ref:3632518)   #128
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People wondered how Moff ran bigger rubber on the back of his coupes than anyone else. Apparently he pumped up the petrol tank untill they popped which narrowed the tank & then used a combination of the genuine inner rear guard panels swapped left front halve to right rear & vice versa, which gave him a mini tubbed rear area & didnt break the rules as no metal had been cut or added & used genuine parts.

not correct never did that the q/panels had lips folded and pumped on the xb xc was made with a even wider rear wheelarch as per homolation and they checked them at sandown
Agreed. IIRC it had something to do with the plastic plenum cover at the base of the windscreen not being present on the later EF/EL. DJR were told that it must be in place. The same cover was not there on the EB/ED model allowing cold air to be drawn into the airbox at the base of the windscreen.
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Old 2 Oct 2019, 01:46 (Ref:3931392)   #129
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Old 2 Oct 2019, 02:53 (Ref:3931394)   #130
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Old 2 Oct 2019, 04:56 (Ref:3931397)   #131
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Loved it. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 2 Oct 2019, 05:51 (Ref:3931399)   #132
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Loved it. Thanks for sharing.
Your welcome, I would love to see some of the team owners from the croup C&A have a round table talk on the very subject, its a pity that the likes of Harry and others have past on, but I guess there is enough of them left to open the do something similar
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Old 2 Oct 2019, 07:53 (Ref:3931404)   #133
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Your welcome, I would love to see some of the team owners from the croup C&A have a round table talk on the very subject, its a pity that the likes of Harry and others have past on, but I guess there is enough of them left to open the do something similar
Yes I think that the fly on the wall tales of the likes of Tom W and Harry would make fascinating reading / listening. Every series used to have its own version of Smokey Yunik. All very clever at reading between the lines and exploiting the loopholes that have now been replaced by reams of official docs and regs.

They were happy days. (coming from one involved in BTCC race prep back in the 70's )
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Old 2 Oct 2019, 08:42 (Ref:3931417)   #134
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FG has let some info out in post 36 on page 3, Mr Tate is still about, so's Moff but he's not well, there is Les Small and heaps of other very innovating individual who would have a wealth of knowledge that we ordinary race fans would love to know about. There was a book call "stories From The Tool box" which was about the F1 teams mechanics and the teams in the 50s and 60s, its a great read, but someone in oz needs to get all the info together and write a book
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Old 2 Oct 2019, 13:16 (Ref:3931481)   #135
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Lots of these stories have been retold in Australian Muscle Car magazine. Recent issues have covered the "6 speed" Moffat Mazdas and "big bore" Ron Hodgson Toranas.
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Old 2 Oct 2019, 23:24 (Ref:3931600)   #136
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It has been going on for years.
One story I have heard from a couple of sources, goes back to the Torana XU1 days. Every year a XU1 was delivered 2 weeks prior to Bathurst, to the local Holden dealer, under the conditions that the car was not to be sold, and when asked for a road car for the post race scrutineering that this was the car provided. One year one of the scrutineers purchased an XU1 from a
Sydney dealer a few weeks before the race, and drove it to the track. Once the race was over, he told the powers to be, no need to go up the road to pick up the car from the dealer, as I have a 2 week old road car at the track. What a surprise to find out that the road car and race cars were totally different. A quick trip into town to collect the car from the local dealer, which surprisingly matched the race car. Good old Harry.
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Series prod was a wonderful example of cheating and using the rule book in ways never meant. I saw a series prod car put on a dyno and the HP was woeful after the motor had been rebuilt. The owner and driver who was later to win Bathurst and the touring car championship said no problems I can fix that and took the car away. It was brought back, put on the dyno and the HP was wonderful. I heard later that it took some days to get it to comply again after the race.
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Yes I think that the fly on the wall tales of the likes of Tom W and Harry would make fascinating reading / listening. Every series used to have its own version of Smokey Yunik. All very clever at reading between the lines and exploiting the loopholes that have now been replaced by reams of official docs and regs.

They were happy days. (coming from one involved in BTCC race prep back in the 70's )
Just listen to Tim Harvey's recent interview on Autosport's podcast for his story on buying a Rover engine from TWR for his Vitesse
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Just listen to Tim Harvey's recent interview on Autosport's podcast for his story on buying a Rover engine from TWR for his Vitesse
I will dig around for that.... thanks for the heads up.
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I will dig around for that.... thanks for the heads up.
If you find or if someone has the podcast could they post a link please
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If you find or if someone has the podcast could they post a link please

Here it is https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aH...=1570414833635
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****, Sleuth posts it is 25 years since DJR(TP) has won a Bathurst.

They spent a while in the wilderness but you would think the Jim Beam period or 2007 might have been the ones that got away.
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Just listen to Tim Harvey's recent interview on Autosport's podcast for his story on buying a Rover engine from TWR for his Vitesse
Haven't listened to the podcast yet, but is that the story where Tim pops into TWR for a Group A Rover V8, starts asking about sprint & endurance spec etc., and the stores guy says to him "Before we worry about that, what size do you want- 3.5, 3.9, 4.5 or 5-litre..?"

Another BTCC classic, although I can't recall whether it ever came out exactly how the car was bent, was sometime BTCC privateer and collector of obsolete touring cars Brian Chatfield's Capris

By 1985, with Rovers, Starions and Andy Rouse's first Sierra turbo (the Merkur XR4Ti, rather than Cossie flavour) on the grid, there was no way an elderly Capri should have been remotely competitive, so when Chatfield finished 4th at Oulton- having IIRC led the race at one point- eyebrows were well-and-truly raised, and the scrutes suggested that at the next round (back-to-back meetings over an Easter Holiday weekend) Chatfield might like to have a little chat with them when he presented the car for scrutineering - and not to forget to bring the homologation papers with him.

When Chatfield turned up a couple of days later for scrutineering at Thruxton with no homologation papers- and a different Capri (he had a pair) he was promptly disqualified from the previous race and told he wouldn't be getting a start today either.
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