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Old 10 Jan 2014, 20:16 (Ref:3352593)   #16
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This smells like tactics to appease the ACO since they put their foot down and said no G56 without LMP1 in 2015.

Would I be surprised to see Nissan bring the Zeod, milk it for PR and then announce that the board is sadly not allowing LMP1 to happen? Not at all..

This whole thing is turning into a complete farce. I have never seen a manufacturer be this indecisive about joining a racing series. It's absurd.
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Old 10 Jan 2014, 20:22 (Ref:3352595)   #17
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It's just because, as has been mentioned on here before, a normally private process is playing out in public.
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Old 10 Jan 2014, 21:06 (Ref:3352608)   #18
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Nissan wants to win LeMans outright. They cant do that with the zeod. I dont know what it would take besides a car on track to convince some here they are coming back.
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Old 10 Jan 2014, 21:20 (Ref:3352613)   #19
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Nissan wants to win LeMans outright. They cant do that with the zeod. I dont know what it would take besides a car on track to convince some here they are coming back.
An official announcement (read: press release, not something Cox blurbs alone) mentioning what and when.
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Old 10 Jan 2014, 21:32 (Ref:3352622)   #20
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Read #10.... then wait patiently.
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Old 10 Jan 2014, 21:45 (Ref:3352626)   #21
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But we want it now!

We demand it now! Don't Nissan know who they're messin' with here????


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Old 10 Jan 2014, 22:05 (Ref:3352633)   #22
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But we want it now!

We demand it now! Don't Nissan know who they're messin' with here????


I for once am very happy that finally there is dedicated battlefield thread for this, so now the G56 thread can finally rest and get back to the actual program!

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Old 10 Jan 2014, 23:29 (Ref:3352660)   #23
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I dont know what it would take besides a car on track to convince some here they are coming back.
A statement with no qualifiers. No ifs and possibles.
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Old 10 Jan 2014, 23:45 (Ref:3352661)   #24
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And then what happens? Are we all going to buy a Versa and put a "P1" sticker on it?
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Old 10 Jan 2014, 23:50 (Ref:3352663)   #25
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Nissan wants to win LeMans outright. They cant do that with the zeod. I dont know what it would take besides a car on track to convince some here they are coming back.
This forum is full of people who try to prove their worth with cynicism. However, frankly, it isn't real until that car is on track. That is because, the press, the posters on forums and even the team talk crap based on no facts whatsoever and you can't tell the difference between that and reality, because the words on your screen look the same. It's internet cry wolf.

If someone doesn't believe it until they see a car on track fair enough. Although being negative to prove you are clever is tedious and simple.
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Nissan wants to win LeMans outright.
No. Porsche wants to win Le Mans outright, so they began preparation to debut a competitive LMP1 car in the first round of 2014 while Nissan got on the tricycle bandwagon (aka Bowlby's IndyCar reject programme).

In this statement Cox does sound more committed, yet he mentioned at least two possible excuses in case it doesn't happen. 1). board approval pending 2). "We are not doing this in a conventional way" so there's a high chance Nissan will put forward certain conditions for ACO regarding some creative rule-making so that another iteration Bowlby's g56 wacky racer is admitted and allowed to be competitive in LMP1.

So far this is as much of a news as the endless Ferrari considering Le Mans story. Except in this case we all know what the politics is really about. I'm with deggis here. This is the kind of story Autosport is known for lately.
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This forum is full of people who try to prove their worth with cynicism. However, frankly, it isn't real until that car is on track. That is because, the press, the posters on forums and even the team talk crap based on no facts whatsoever and you can't tell the difference between that and reality, because the words on your screen look the same. It's internet cry wolf.
Don't simplify. There is also the context of previous activity and statements by those from whom the words on the screen originate. Would identical LMP1 programme announcements coming from Mercedes and Zoran Stefanović look the same to you?

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Old 11 Jan 2014, 00:09 (Ref:3352668)   #27
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I'm ever so sorry I forgot to put a question mark in the title.

I'll try not to get excited about anything in future.
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Old 11 Jan 2014, 00:24 (Ref:3352673)   #28
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Nobody's saying that a full-on Nissan LMP1 effort wouldn't be exciting. But recent experience suggest that there an equal chance it may not happen or worse, it may happen in a way that would eventually drive existing teams out of the class. Name one category where Nissan has recently had any kind of works involvement where their car ran to the rules of the class without receiving considerable help from the organizers.
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Old 11 Jan 2014, 00:26 (Ref:3352674)   #29
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Don't simplify. There is also the context of previous activity and statements by those from whom the words on the screen originate. Would identical LMP1 programme announcements coming from Mercedes and Zoran Stefanović look the same to you?
I'm not simplifying, I'm generalising. Thus my concern and frustration that discussions concerning announcements from manufacturers or random dudes develop in similar ways. That's why some will need to see cars on track.
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Old 11 Jan 2014, 00:56 (Ref:3352681)   #30
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Pandamasque has it nailed. The ACO has publically come out saying they want an LMP1 effort in exchange for a second G56 being granted to Nissan, effectively enbarrassing Nissan and trying to force their hand. Nissan is now covering their bases wih a non-comittal comminent, no doubt lobbying to get a rule set they see as preferential, that way if they don't show, due to not having their technology allowed, they aren't the bad guys. There is much going on behind the scenes I am sure. Allowing the ZEOD into P1 would make the class a farce, the ACO needs to protect the investments of the other P1 entries. I want to see Nissan in P1, but with a car that plays by the rules.
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