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My son's Clio certainly makes A LOT of noise.........
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Be a good father and help him pay for the exhaust it sounds like it needs then.
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I've helped him pay for everything else, so he's on his own with the exhaust..... He's taking it to LM this year, so you'll probably hear it from there.......
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So... I have a point that I am sure will not please some. Part of the problem with F1 is illustrated in this thread. The fan's can't agree on what they want. I am not sure if I could put together a short list of things people agree on. You would "think" it would be something like "good racing", but I doubt we could even agree on how to define that.
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A) If you're referring to me...no caps in the name please. (I use none in my screen name outa' respect for Jim(my).
B) Again, if you're referring to me...you're not sucking me in to this one. C) If it's James your "driver"...have at it...'not my "speed".... I digress. (I know...as I should. ) |
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exactly. so following what the cheeses think is the good of the sport is as good as anything really. the aim is to sustain it till it falls over, or ice engines become a thing of the past.
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They can fix F1 by making it better.
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I think it’s more because the rule makers like overcomplicating things instead of going for the simple solution
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One of my pet hates is that 'complicated' word!! Seems to get overused by people these days as a kind of disclaimer for something bad they are about to do!!
If the tweaks don't work then Ross and co know they will need to implement more significant changes for 2021. I am convinced that a simpler regs which cost less will attract new entrants. Part of the reason there aren't any new teams at present is because of the performance and I suspect political clout Merc has. FIA should publish the regs that are required to reduce cost and better racing and if certain entities don't like it too bad. |
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chunterer, I am not picking on you, but rather using your post as seed for my comments. Also, we are 60+ pages into this thread and I have no doubt much of this has been debated and discussed already. I know for sure I have posted similar content as below before. But that is OK as otherwise the discussion dies.
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"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler" My pet peeve is the desire for people to ignore the natural complexity that exists (usually because the level of complexity is uncomfortable for them) and to replace reality with "simpler" explanations that just don't work. Ultimately then the resulting "thing" that is based upon the "simple" explanation fails because... it doesn't model reality. So I cringe when people ask for "simple". Because I feel they have little understanding of reality. With that said, I do believe that things CAN be overly complex and can be wound back to a simpler solution. Quote:
One definition might focus on the level of restriction. Set a minimum weight, include some safety regulations and then let the teams have at it. VERY simple regulations. But, in my opinion, it would be a disaster for the sport for a multitude of reasons. Another definition would be to focus on more restriction that creates simpler solutions. You could write some very simple, but yet VERY restrictive regulations. That would potentially work, but also has many negatives. Another potential would be to start from scratch and try to replicate the current regulations, but do it in a more "clean" way. I think that for the most part the existing technical regulations are a patchwork of tweaks to include restrictions as undesirable paths of development are closed off. I suspect that it is possible to rewrite and for the word count to be reduced and clarity improved, but it may not really change the resulting output (car design) much. Of course this would inadvertently creating new and unintended loopholes which will be quickly closed up in future revisions which starts. Which starts the patchwork regulations all over again. Those are three options. I am sure there are others I have missed or variations of the above. But lets call them option A, B and C. I have no doubt there will be fans of each and that each respective fan will feel the other options are pure junk. At their core, each defines "What is F1?" It is an open spec series, is it a high restricted series, is it somewhere in-between? See my comments above about lack of agreement on what we like (and at it's heart) what fans think the answer to the question "What is F1?" Quote:
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I think that you either create so tight of regulations that development produces little or no improvements and then pure chance has a larger impact on results (effectively fully spec cars... and to a level that is way beyond something like NASCAR) or you address the issue on the funding/budget side. Which is the dirty phrase of "budget caps" which everyone loves to say will not work in F1, but somehow seems to work in other sports. Richard |
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60+ pages eh......
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Not saying I disagree, but how do you make the fans that want F1 cars to set fast lap times happy? Less downforce will have to reduce cornering speed and impact lap times negatively. What happens when F2 cars are turning faster laps? Wasn't there a big outcry recently when everyone felt GP2 cars were encroaching upon F1 lap times. Maybe but some being faster than the slower F1 teams (can't remember the details, so I may have that bit wrong)?
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Surely having cars that are more challenging on the limit than actual cornering speed is more important to the fans
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I do happen to broadly agree with you. The better cars get the more predictable they are. The amount of "chance" (poor reliability, etc.) is reduced over time, so the results on the last lap are much more unexpected. Team A is objectively better than team B, so we should expect to see Team A on top at the end of the season. Why should I watch something that is mostly pre-ordained. "Hard to drive" adds in more unpredictability. This is very much aggravated within sprint racing (which F1 is). Endurance racing increases the level of unexpected variability to crop up, so that is why the results at the end of the day in endurance racing is less predictable. Even then, endurance racing is not immune as I am sure the cars are more reliable now than in the old days. Richard |
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This forum is as dead as F1.
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