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Old 1 Oct 2006, 23:36 (Ref:1724785)   #1
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If you want to race do it on the track!!!!!!!!

Ok I know that this probably belongs somewhere else but too bad....

I love racing like any other person, I love my car and the fact that if I needed to it can go fast. But seriously we need to get some of these ***** on the road to start thinking about their actions. I am a CFA volunteer as well as a very enthusiastic race fan. My message is IF YOU WANT TO GO FAST YOU BLOODY FOOL DO IT ON A TRACK WHEN YOU ARE UNDER CONTROLED CONDITIONS AND ARE NOT GOING TO KILL YOURSELF, YOUR PASSENGER OR INNOCENT BYSTANDERS!!!! I am sick of attending call outs where I turn up and it is a Clubsport wrapped around a pole, or a GT in a ditch.

By no means am I attacking the sport and by no means am I saying that it the responsibility of ANYONE but the person behind the wheel.

Please be safe you are not Craig Lowndes or Mark Scaife when you are driving on surburban roads!!!

Sorry for the rant, just getting really frustrated.

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Old 1 Oct 2006, 23:42 (Ref:1724786)   #2
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Old 2 Oct 2006, 00:02 (Ref:1724794)   #3
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It's a shame that advanced and defensive driver training isn't compulsory: even the brashness and indestructability of youth would be tampered by an effective demonstration of exactly how quickly a situation can go from in to out of control. Most young lairs only discover it through hard eperience - and generally just in time to realise just how much strife they're in...

I would've thought that if one positive thing might come from the death of Peter Brock, it would be that roadside furniture is nowhere near as forgiving as a sandtrap and detroit concrete... add to that the randomness of oncoming traffic (and that any other traffic around you may not be completely aware of themselves and their situation, let alone yours), and what it adds up to is that there isn't any place for boy-racer mentality on public roads.
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Old 2 Oct 2006, 00:33 (Ref:1724803)   #4
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Absolutely right. I saw a bloke on a motorbike that got thrown off his bike because some idiot was trying to break the land speed record in a Monaro. It
s just unacceptable, and we need to have some harsher penalties put in place.
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Old 2 Oct 2006, 00:35 (Ref:1724805)   #5
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The problem is the TAC ads just don't work anymore and unfortunately most of these guys only learn their lesson when they are in an accident and injure or kill themselves or someone else. where is the answer?

If only cars were fitted with a stupidity limiter. Gee the roads would be quiet!!!
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Old 2 Oct 2006, 00:44 (Ref:1724809)   #6
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If only cars were fitted with a stupidity limiter. Gee the roads would be quiet!!!
They are. Its called a brain.

Anybody can drive a car quickly, getting the thing to stop is a different issue. An its never the going too quickly that is the problem, its the things the driver collects when they stop... (and they do ultimately stop.. somehow)
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Old 2 Oct 2006, 00:57 (Ref:1724813)   #7
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[QUOTE=GTRMagic]They are. Its called a brain. [QUOTE]


Unfortunately some must have theirs switched off!!
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Old 2 Oct 2006, 01:03 (Ref:1724817)   #8
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There are speed days at both Eastern Creek and Wakefield Park scheduled regularly through the year

What better way to show off your 'speed' than bring your mates along as you take your pride and joy for a burn round a race track... or at WSID for a run-what-ya-brung drag......
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Old 2 Oct 2006, 01:08 (Ref:1724821)   #9
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For me awareness is a bigger factor in a crash than speed is.

A track day is also less expensive than what a fine and suspended sentance would cost aswell.

Personally I have never seen the point in speeding. And you always end up laughing when a driver flies straight past you, only to end up at the next set of lights.
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Old 2 Oct 2006, 01:15 (Ref:1724822)   #10
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Western Sydney International Dragway opens its doors EVERY WEDNESDAY- Not once a month, not every few months, but every Wednesday of every week. For $45 you can bring your car in and you have four hours of racing to burn some rubber in controlled, and well monitored conditions, so if you do have a crash you won't have to wait for a passer-by to call the Ambulance- There will be one waiting for you.

I don't see why people in NSW want to knock this back! It just seems like plain idiocy to me!

Just expanding for you GTR.

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Old 2 Oct 2006, 01:25 (Ref:1724825)   #11
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Good Thread to start. Especially around Bathurst when we are all at our BBQ'S, the track etc.. How many times have we seen ppl leaving the track or a BBQ after Bathurst doing something silly, burn outs etc... Guys we need to be more careful this year!!

Also I believe we teach our kids how to pass a licence test and not how to drive, 1 year after getting my P's my Dad sent me off to do a Driver Education course with Murcotts. This should be Compulsary for every one who gets a licence. We should also be teaching our future generation (and older folks) Emergency breaking, Slide control, Safe Highway driving also basic maintenance of cars, you would be surprised at how many people do not know how to change a tyre, check their oil and water safely etc....

If the Government were serious about reducing road toll they would take a long hard look at these programs and make them compulsary.
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If the Government were serious about reducing road toll they would take a long hard look at these programs and make them compulsary.
I agree, problem that we see is the "it couldn't happen to me" mentality. Not that I believe that the vast majority of people could handle it but the best way to educate someone is to scare the living.... out of them. Pictures don't do it. Being in the CFA and attending accients like this has definately made me take my foot off. Not that it was too hard on to start with. I like my life and my sexy XR too much!!!

Get them into a controled situation (as controlled as you can get when it comes to a car) where they have assistance on hand and make them loose control. Show them how easy it is to get all out of shape and what the consequences are!
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If the Government were serious about reducing road toll they would take a long hard look at these programs and make them compulsary.
Unfortunately governments only appear to be serious about these problems for as long as the latest fatal crash is making the news.
About 18 months ago, just around the corner from where I live, a teenager took his father's GTR for a joy ride while his father was overseas. He proceeded to wrap it around a power pole at over 200kph (in a 50kph zone), killing himself, his girlfriend and another mate.
It was front page news for a week or so. The public was outraged, the government was outraged and promised all sorts of committees and enquiries to stop it happening again. With the public suitably appeased, the story drops out of the papers and all the fancy promises are dropped and forgotten until the next horror smash. Then it starts again.
In these situations governments in general are great at saying what you want to hear, but are useless when it comes to doing what you want them to do!

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Old 2 Oct 2006, 02:31 (Ref:1724843)   #14
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I think the Worst ever Thread pic is a little harsh!
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I have been in the car of several hot headed young drivers who seem to believe that when they have passengers they must impress. Do they drive like that when they are by themselves though? Some of course do, as they really make an effort to out-do the other young driver in conversation. "I did 180kmph" "Yeh well I did 220kmph on the freeway" and then you have the real stupid cases where they even boast about losing their Learners due to joy riding.

Can you really change a drivers attitude when they do a 60kmph activity at 70-80kmph at a driver training course. Afterall they have just knocked down half the cones in the slalom, overshot the emergency breaking cones and gone at least 25m further with their wheels locked. Then they get out of their cars with a smile on their face, and later talk about it to their mates around them.

Another interesting factor is that some drivers with even 20 years experience are yet to experience an emergency stop, or what ABS feels like. I have also been in the car when someone has locked up their tyres and just released the brake pedal as they didn't know what to do. But thats ok, they are a good driver as they passed the test to get their P's. Afterall thats all that is important isn't it?

But the funniest thing of all is to listen to all the different opinions on what you should do when you lock your tyres. Im not talking about how the professionals explain the situation, just everyday young drivers. Out of about 5 people you will get 3 different opinions. Pump the pedal. Completely lift off then re-apply but not as hard as before. Or ease the pedal back to the threshold braking point. And some will say "I dont know".

They have all passed their liscence, yet they all have a different opinion on how to correct a simple situation. Whose to blame? Parents? Ads? Driver Instructors?

You arn't graded on an emergency stop in your liscense test so they don't teach you it. Yet a driver training course does teach you this. Surely it would make sense that a life saving technique needs to be taught as soon as possible. Then would we get three different opinions on how to correct the locked brakes situation?

What about attitude. How many of us can honestly, honestly say they slow down to the 60kmph recommended in a road works area, when before the speed limit was 80kmph. I doubt very many can. Why though? Dis-respect for the law? Are you in so much of a hurray that 20kmph difference for a few hundred metres will make you late? Peer group pressure?

Howcome the average driver will speed in zones from 40-80kmph yet won't speed on the freeway or country roads. Speaking from experience on the nice drive to Winton Raceway from the Yarra Valley I must say that you will get stuck behind someone in the 100 zone, but then when it comes to a town and the speed limit is 60kmph, they are all of a sudden speeding. Why?

But what I would really like to ask. Is that are our road rules enforced enough for us to respect them? Are we taught all the right things during our time on L plates. And are we tested on all the right things when getting P plates?

Or are we all just in too much of a hurry to worry about stop signs, and road works.

And maybe its just too simple to say that drivers have an attitude problem that ads and road rules or punishments wont fix.
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