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Old 28 Nov 2018, 08:07 (Ref:3866535)   #541
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STR could be a plum seat for ‘19 if suggestions they will run RBR clone prove true
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Old 28 Nov 2018, 08:32 (Ref:3866544)   #542
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Hopefully their sacrifices made in their developing the Honda engines pay off for them. I would like to see them beat the senior team tbh. Long shot maybe but.....
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Old 28 Nov 2018, 10:06 (Ref:3866558)   #543
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I am sure that Red Bull / STR have been looking very closely at the Haas (and probably Sauber) way of doing things so they can work out how far they can push things.
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Old 28 Nov 2018, 14:52 (Ref:3866614)   #544
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STR have one driver who's older than both Max and Pierre
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Old 28 Nov 2018, 15:57 (Ref:3866623)   #545
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Combined?!
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Old 2 Dec 2018, 11:37 (Ref:3867430)   #546
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Combined?!
No.

Kvyat is the "oldest fart" in the Red Bull driver line-up at 24 years.
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Old 2 Dec 2018, 15:41 (Ref:3867455)   #547
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Not exactly pensionable age though.......
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Not exactly pensionable age though.......
Depends on the economy and the latest Free Trade Agreement / sanctions!
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Torro Rosso are purportedly pounding round Suzuka in a modfied NSX with a Red Bull gearbox in the back and simulated next years MUGH and Kinetic recovery mode.
Don't know how this fits the off season testing rules but would seem to indicate that they are taking things seriously.
They seem to "leak" more than the other manufacturers about this sort of thing.
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Old 9 Dec 2018, 07:28 (Ref:3868901)   #550
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Interesting thought and clearly a great idea.... running components on a track is clearly advantageous I would imagine to even the most sophisticated rolling road or dyno set up a team might have in house.

I do recall rumours of Ferrari doing similar in specially modified road cars in the past at Fiorano, with F1 test drivers in the days of Gene etc., but cant find links to the stories. Maybe they were even using older F1 cars pre cut off dates for said purpose

Given the lengths teams or manufacturers go to even in their road cars where it is normal to test new components for future road cars in existing models on huge road tests, it is at best inconceivable to think some shenanigans do not take place in race cars, especially teams like Ferrari with in house test tracks.

It does show in the case of Honda, their sheer commitment to succeed in what has been a disappointing F1 return to date results wise.
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Do we know who was doing the running?
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Oh no, not again!

Honda hit development setbacks for 2019.

https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/3...-two-setbacks/
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Not what they need at this time
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Oh no, not again!

Honda hit development setbacks for 2019.

https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/3...-two-setbacks/
So I looked at that article and it is not the initial source. It is based upon an article from Autobild...

https://www.autobild.de/artikel/form...-10924171.html

I think what is going on is a game of Chinese Whispers (aka "Telephone Game" here in the US) with a touch of clickbait drama injected as the story is retold. It is the off season so drama must be hyped up.

My reading is that...

1. Honda is no longer going to be consulting with AVL due to issues with project management within AVL. Autobild goes on to say that Ferrari had the same issue with AVL which led to the end of the Ferrari/AVL partnership. Maybe the problem is with AVL and not Honda? I wonder if they might still be using AVL's commercial equipment and just not consulting directly with them?

2. Honda continues to have vibration issues at full power. The GPFan article talks about Mario Illien's involvement and that the solution has not been found. Given the dire tone of the GPFan article, it implies an unwillingness of Honda to work with a consultant. But if you look at the Autobild article it goes into more depth which says that Mario Illien has not been able to solve it. So it looks like his involvement going forward will be limited. I take that as less about them not willing to work with him, but rather he couldn't solve the problem.

No doubt Honda has issues to work through as they try to move foward. Otherwise they would be at the top of the grid today. But in the end... I believe the GPFan article is 80% clickbait. The Autobild headline is clickbait, but the actual article content is more measured.

It's my understanding that 2019 engine is a development of 2018. So I don't think anything radical has been done over the winter other than ongoing refinement of whatever solution Honda has. That "should" indicate measured progress forward and less of an indication of a McLaren style fiasco. Time will tell however.

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